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02-21-2024 , 12:50 PM
Hey all,

Looking for some advice on how to simplify and learn 4 betting strategies.

When I learned 3 betting ranges I simplified by grouping all the IP positions. So my raising range from HJ, CO, and BTN vs. UTG are the same. I also don't mix hands more granular than 50/50.

Now I am looking over the 4 betting ranges and I am not sure I will be able to use these simplifications. It looks like some hands mix raise, call, and fold.

Any advice on how I can simplify these ranges?
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02-22-2024 , 05:15 AM
You can simplify ranges in a similar way to 3betting.

For example, you can group 4bets depending on the opponent's 3bet stat:



I also think there is no need to mix hands at micro-limits on 4bet, Call and Fold. Just simplify to 50/50 4bet/Call or 50/50 Call/Fold.
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02-22-2024 , 10:36 AM
Don't forget about being deep enough to still play 'poker' after the Flop .. GL
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02-22-2024 , 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slyless
You can simplify ranges in a similar way to 3betting.

For example, you can group 4bets depending on the opponent's 3bet stat:



I also think there is no need to mix hands at micro-limits on 4bet, Call and Fold. Just simplify to 50/50 4bet/Call or 50/50 Call/Fold.
Hey thanks for the reply! Any idea where I can find charts based off V 3bet %. I typically use GTO wizard for ranges and I don't think they have that (at least on the free version)
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02-25-2024 , 07:47 AM
You can use GTO Wizard.
For example, you can adapt the standard range of def vs 3Bet CO vs BU ( BU 3Bet 13%):

GTO Wizard range:
Spoiler:


Simplified range:
Spoiler:


If your opponent 3Bet 11% then use HJ vs BU range, etc.
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03-01-2024 , 10:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slyless
You can use GTO Wizard.
For example, you can adapt the standard range of def vs 3Bet CO vs BU ( BU 3Bet 13%):

GTO Wizard range:
Spoiler:


Simplified range:
Spoiler:


If your opponent 3Bet 11% then use HJ vs BU range, etc.
Any idea if you can check your EV loss of a proposed strategy against GTO wizard? When ever I use the range builder to create my own simplified ranges it gives me around 80% accuracy which doesn't seem that good.
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