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01-21-2009 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyfool1985
Yeah iv tried doing this but it hasnt seemed to have worked also emailed their deposit support as well to see if it can help but from what i have learnt so far from poker sites support is an automated response that vaguely answers your question yet also being useless at the same time. lol
Email the cashier@FT addy, dont know what it is exactally, they should work with you to deposit the full amount, had to do this for myself just a month ago, I had played alot of hands there previously but was from a transfer, so just deposited for first time to get the bonus.

I depo'd with echeck but could only deposit 100$ the first time via it and to deposit the remainder I wanted as soon as it was available again with the increased limit which goes to 600$ after the first depo clears. Once I cleared the first 100 had to email them to manually add the remaining 500 though it did take awhile to get it added. You still only have 4 months to clear the full 600 but if they take awhile to add the 2nd just email them few days after you request it and ask for more time if you havent got it yet. They took over a week to add the 500 bonus so I emailed them and they added another week on to clear it when they manually added it.
01-21-2009 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bona
You already know I suck at NL so take it for what it is worth but; the fact is while 24k hands takes a while to play and it sucks to have a minus number for a win rate, 3-4 coolers can have that much effect on your win rate over that many hands. Don't you suppose?

Open your data base. Look for the ten biggest loss hands. See if you played em right. If you did delete them. Presto better win rate. More confidence=pwn 50NL. imo. Doesnt work in limit but it should work in NL.

(The difference between having a slight negative win rate over a short stretch of hands and trying to invade Russia by land is that you get a second chance on your win rate )
Haha, I do think you're right; I'm confident my winrate is a bit better than 2.5bb/100, and I did lose a few major big hands to suckouts and such, though I can't be sure. That said, this is over a fairly significant sample, but I don't think I can blame it on variance too much. Even if I did lose 1-2 buyins due to bad beats my winrate is still quite poor, so that's no excuse. Definitely will work on it; perhaps it's time to get a coach.

Preflop Aggressor has something like a missed AK AQ, shoving villain has set or weaker overpair (?), gearing mostly to a set since he's shoving into 2 opponents, but he's short stacked and it's, 8.5 to get it in. Is stacking here terrible? On hindsight (I lose obv) it's a fold, but do you think this is a big leak?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 13656
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BB: $11.45
UTG: $25.60
Hero (MP): $26.50
CO: $59.10
BTN: $10.20
SB: $25.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with T T
UTG raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, 3 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.85) 5 6 2 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, BB raises to $5, UTG folds, Hero raises to $25.25 all in, BB calls $5.20 all in

Turn: ($25.75) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($25.75) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)


Second hand:

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 13657
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SB: $19.85
BB: $8.95
Hero (UTG): $25.00
MP: $24.05
CO: $30.25
BTN: $8.35

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) J T 8 (2 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $3.75

Turn: ($12.25) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($17.25) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $11.35 all in, Hero folds

Super standard? How's my flop raise size? Do I shove it in to a 3bet on the flop? We are against a combo draw, weaker set, or made straight if it gets in on the flop, but we can't fold top set surely?

What if the river wasn't 7, am I correct in that nothing changes? Villain COULD be shoving a straight here, but I am far more inclined to think that he has a stronger straight or a flush (he can thin shove a stronger straight because he knows I will never check a flush there), but our hand is 90%+ beat, right?

Turn call is standard for implied odds to a boat afaik.
01-21-2009 , 03:18 AM
implied odds to a boat?...?...?

?
01-21-2009 , 03:19 AM
...?
01-21-2009 , 03:19 AM
?
01-21-2009 , 03:25 AM
Well I have 10 outs to win vs a made hand (9 for boat, 1 for quads), and it costs us 2.5 to call, so we have just enough immediate odds to call as a draw (we need a bit better than 4-1 I think?), and of course he's probably stacking 100% if he does have a flush, so we have his stack to help with implied odds so call on turn is super standard right?

What's wrong?
01-21-2009 , 03:27 AM
I raise like nearly 100% of the time

I lied, I don't even think it's nearly 100% of the time, I think it's 100% of the time.

Last edited by Cruzerthebruzer; 01-21-2009 at 03:28 AM. Reason: barring some super read
01-21-2009 , 03:31 AM
Raise the turn...? Like shove the turn?
01-21-2009 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RoSeeker
Raise the turn...? Like shove the turn?
I would raise just slightly more on the flop. If you raise that up to $6 instead of $5, you set the stacks up very nicely for a PSB on the turn.

Villain would have $12.85 left and the pot would be $14.25.

That turn is a bad card for you, but you do have 10 redraw outs and his super tiny bet makes me wanna get it in for sure.
01-21-2009 , 06:33 AM
I think I over shove turn there too. Although a slightly higher flop raise would make that easier.
01-21-2009 , 07:02 AM
So we do not fold river if it bricks off?

As played we fold correct? I mean, surely we're beat; villain can't be floating our raise with pure air, and he would have too much equity with an overpair any medium strength pair to be shove bluffing us there.

I ask this because I usually shove any turn on a board like that and I wonder if it really is necessary to pay them off when we get sucked out on.
01-21-2009 , 12:38 PM
I'd shove the turn.
01-21-2009 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I'd shove the turn.
my first thought was raise turn.......

isnt shoving turn a zero bet??
01-21-2009 , 01:19 PM
A zero bet? Doesn't that flush hit his range a lot though..?

btw, my friend just won a $47 pot at 10NL:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/613713

Must be nice to have someone shove 200bbs into you when you have the nuts.
01-21-2009 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RoSeeker
A zero bet? Doesn't that flush hit his range a lot though..?

btw, my friend just won a $47 pot at 10NL:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/613713

Must be nice to have someone shove 200bbs into you when you have the nuts.
my poker dictionary might be a bit old..

when i said Zero bet i meant we are only ever getting called by hands that beat us, never by worse..

in which case a raise is better than a shove...

ah i miss playing deep stacked
01-21-2009 , 01:24 PM
We're pot committed with a raise anyway, so isn't it essentially the same? I also don't think he folds a combo draw there either, or even a flush draw, with such pot odds. We may fold out like top pair two pair, but eh..
01-21-2009 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RoSeeker
We're pot committed with a raise anyway, so isn't it essentially the same? I also don't think he folds a combo draw there either, or even a flush draw, with such pot odds. We may fold out like top pair two pair, but eh..
fair enough.
01-21-2009 , 04:36 PM
I think something is wrong if you feel like you're on top of the world and running hot like the sun when the below happens:

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 13996
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CO: t1990 M = 26.53
BTN: t2775 M = 37
Hero (SB): t825 M = 11
BB: t715 M = 9.53
UTG: t1925 M = 25.67
MP: t770 M = 10.27

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with Q A
UTG calls t50, 1 fold, CO calls t50, BTN calls t50, Hero raises to t825 all in, 3 folds, BTN calls t775

Flop: (t1800) 9 8 J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1800) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1800) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1800
BTN shows 9 Q (two pair, Queens and Jacks - lower kicker)
Hero shows Q A (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Hero wins t1800
01-21-2009 , 10:10 PM
Cause why? you're still running hot and at the top of the world?
01-22-2009 , 01:36 AM
Finally....a post in here from me that isn't me moaning about something lol.

After my crappy luck yesterday i've started today on a massive heater. 5 SnG's in so far, 3 wins and a 2nd. The 5th i went out QQ<AT, only suck out i've been on the recieving end of all day. Finally got up to 50 BI's for the $650's so gonna play a few of those in a while and see if my hot streak can continue.

Although i have probably now jinxed it by posting this lol
01-22-2009 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Chachava
Finally got up to 50 BI's for the $650's so gonna play a few of those in a while and see if my hot streak can continue.
Damm you moved up fast fom where you were if your at the $650s, that would be a hell of a hotstreak!
01-22-2009 , 02:37 AM
whoops, meant to be a . inbetween the 6 and the 50 lol. I'm not even sure they have any $650 SnG's lol. It's 6 in the morning here, what can i say lol
01-22-2009 , 02:40 AM
On a side note, i may be running well in SnG's atm, but i'm still completely card dead in MTT's. Have cashed 1 out of 9 so far this year (i tend not to play too many MTT's) and that was only for $1.12 lol. Winning one is one of my goals for this year though.
01-22-2009 , 06:36 AM
man it seems like every second post at the moment it a bad beat post.....people u gotta ship 2c to Kidpoker and make it stop. ty.
01-22-2009 , 06:50 AM
lol, i'm actually tempted to do that after how badly i've ran after moving up to the $6.50's

my favourite hand so far today


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 14535
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CO: t1500 M = 50
BTN: t1540 M = 51.33
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1480 M = 49.33
UTG: t1500 M = 50
Hero (MP): t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to t80, 2 folds, SB raises to t180, 1 fold, Hero raises to t700, SB raises to t1480 all in, Hero calls t780

Flop: (t2980) T 9 Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2980) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2980) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2980
SB shows T A (three of a kind, Tens)
Hero shows K K (two pair, Kings and Tens)
SB wins t2980





And just to round things off...my favourite non bad beat hand from yesterday

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 4 players - View hand 14534
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BTN: t970 M = 4.31
SB: t1720 M = 7.64
Hero (BB): t2740 M = 12.18
CO: t3570 M = 15.87

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with 8 2
CO calls t150, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (t375) 2 Q 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (t375) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t450, CO calls t450

River: (t1275) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t450, CO calls t450

Final Pot: t2175
Hero shows 8 2 (two pair, Eights and Deuces)
CO mucks A A
Hero wins t2175



82o the AA killer lol

      
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