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LC/NC; Beg. Forum FISH FRY, Jan 2009 LC/NC; Beg. Forum FISH FRY, Jan 2009

01-19-2009 , 04:27 PM
This thread has much improved and I will now take part in it.
01-19-2009 , 08:40 PM
played some 6m today so that I could w/d from PStars.

Never again.
01-19-2009 , 10:35 PM
lolol you forgot how to play 99% of the worlds poker :P
01-20-2009 , 12:41 AM
Cruzer, you play mostly HU right? Do you think Colin Moshman's HU book will help cash play?
01-20-2009 , 12:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoSeeker
Cruzer, you play mostly HU right? Do you think Colin Moshman's HU book will help cash play?
ye

I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. :P I can't read, so I am not the right person to ask.

Collin plays HUSNGs, I'm not sure if the book is based off them or off both cash and HU sngs. It'd probably help though.

I'd watch some DC videos, if you're just starting out Pr1nnyraiding is good.
01-20-2009 , 02:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruzerthebruzer
ye

I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. :P I can't read, so I am not the right person to ask.

Collin plays HUSNGs, I'm not sure if the book is based off them or off both cash and HU sngs. It'd probably help though.

I'd watch some DC videos, if you're just starting out Pr1nnyraiding is good.
I have Collin's book. It's almost entirely about cash HU games, with a small chapter that mentions HU SnGs (which I hate with a passion).

Pr1nnyraiding is also really good stuff.
01-20-2009 , 08:47 AM
Thanks guys. I've been thinking about getting it, but not too sure. Anyway, HU is not on the top of my priority. First goes to not getting crushed by 100NL. I'm 3bet every other hand, ffs. It seems like I have to call down with tens and jacks to a 3bet + double barrels a lot or something.

That said, I didn't run completely terrible. Here's me trying to join the kool kid's klub.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 12565
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $172.80
MP: $101.95
CO: $98.50
BTN: $68.70
SB: $127.35
Hero (BB): $218.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Q 6
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $15, UTG calls $11, CO calls $11

Flop: ($45.50) A K Q (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: ($45.50) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $20, UTG calls $20, CO folds

River: ($85.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Villain had TT.
01-20-2009 , 01:25 PM
^^^^
He put you on 99?
Or are you just 3-betting extremely light for him to think that TT are god often enough?
01-20-2009 , 02:11 PM
Yeah, hope you're not making a habit 3betting an UTG raiser with Q6s.
01-20-2009 , 02:15 PM
meh i hate having to wait on stupid transfers to moneybookers. Im stuck in no mans land between stars and FTP waiting on transfers.
01-20-2009 , 02:39 PM
This just takes the piss
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 2 players - View hand 12748
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: t3745 M = 10.70
Hero (BB): t5255 M = 15.01

Pre Flop: (t350) Hero is BB with K K
BTN/SB raises to t600, Hero raises to t1800, BTN/SB calls t1200

Flop: (t3650) 3 J A (2 players)
Hero bets t3430 all in, BTN/SB calls t1920 all in

Turn: (t7490) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7490) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t7490
BTN/SB shows 4 5 (a straight, Ace to Five)
Hero shows K K (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
BTN/SB wins t7490


This hand has just made me go completely nuts. Had the guy down to less than 1k 3 or 4 times and he managed to come back and win it. I'm not f**king happy

I mean what the hell could he possibly have thought he was ahead of here?
01-20-2009 , 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chachava
This just takes the piss
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 2 players - View hand 12748
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: t3745 M = 10.70
Hero (BB): t5255 M = 15.01

Pre Flop: (t350) Hero is BB with K K
BTN/SB raises to t600, Hero raises to t1800, BTN/SB calls t1200

Flop: (t3650) 3 J A (2 players)
Hero bets t3430 all in, BTN/SB calls t1920 all in

Turn: (t7490) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7490) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t7490
BTN/SB shows 4 5 (a straight, Ace to Five)
Hero shows K K (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
BTN/SB wins t7490


This hand has just made me go completely nuts. Had the guy down to less than 1k 3 or 4 times and he managed to come back and win it. I'm not f**king happy

I mean what the hell could he possibly have thought he was ahead of here?
Board: Ad 3s Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 78.333% 68.79% 09.55% 681 94.50 { 5d4h }
Hand 1: 21.667% 12.12% 09.55% 120 94.50 { 4d2h }


imo
01-20-2009 , 03:05 PM
i know it wasn't a massively bad beat. checked the equity afterwards. But at that point what could he hope to be ahead of though? Since then i managed to lose every flip & 60/40 i've been in lol. Apparently Q9o is the nuts these days lol
01-20-2009 , 03:06 PM
and just lost another as i typed that, TT<K5o it's been a bad day so far lol

I'll post an EV graph once i finish this set of SnG's
01-20-2009 , 03:53 PM
now i just found out that moneybookers can deposit $400 onto full tilt so i cant take advantage of the full $600 1st deposit bonus. It even showed its website that it allows up to $1000 until you download and see on the software you can only deposit $400
01-20-2009 , 04:03 PM
You got no other way of depositing the full $600? Would it be worth emailing FT about it and explaining this and seeing if they can let you make 2 deposits to make up the $600?

Although from what i've read about FT support this is unlikely

And also, heres the EV graph (Made in Excel incase you hadn't guessed) for the 8 SnG's i've played so far today. I won 4 out of i think 21 AI's lol. Not too fussed to be fair though cause i felt i played pretty well.



Will see how the next set of 4 goes then may have to call it a day already.
01-20-2009 , 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyfool1985
now i just found out that moneybookers can deposit $400 onto full tilt so i cant take advantage of the full $600 1st deposit bonus. It even showed its website that it allows up to $1000 until you download and see on the software you can only deposit $400
You prob need to verify your address/bank account (it's easy to do), and then the limits on your account will go up.
01-20-2009 , 09:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidv1213
You prob need to verify your address/bank account (it's easy to do), and then the limits on your account will go up.

Yeah iv tried doing this but it hasnt seemed to have worked also emailed their deposit support as well to see if it can help but from what i have learnt so far from poker sites support is an automated response that vaguely answers your question yet also being useless at the same time. lol
01-21-2009 , 12:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyfool1985
Yeah iv tried doing this but it hasnt seemed to have worked also emailed their deposit support as well to see if it can help but from what i have learnt so far from poker sites support is an automated response that vaguely answers your question yet also being useless at the same time. lol
Thus the main reason pokerstars owns. You can submit your short essay question to Pstars and they'll do it for you :P
01-21-2009 , 01:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon
Thus the main reason pokerstars owns. You can submit your short essay question to Pstars and they'll do it for you :P
Aw man, I wish I was playing poker when I was taking history. I still don't to what extent the decision of choosing mass genocide as the final solution can be accredited to Germany's over extended military, its inability to fulfill territorial expansion plans + securing oil sources in the south.

On second thought, I'd probably have failed while trying to grind SuperNova.


Anyway, on other news, I found this little gem in my HEM, last 2 weeks:

25NL, 12415 hands, 16.38 bb/100, 9.81 evbb/100, $508 won, rake paid: 297.41
50NL, 24058 hands, -0.26 bb/100, 2.56 evbb/100, -$106 won, rake paid: 1108

So I should drop down?

btw, wtf, why can't I run 8 BIs above EV at 100NL??? So unfair.

edit: I found the leak:

50NL: 16.9/13.2/1.7, 3.6 3bet, 34.3% WTSD, 51.0 W$SD
25NL: 16.6/13.3/1.6, 3.3 3bet, 34.2% WTSD, 53.6 W$SD

OH SNAP.

btw, my stats suck? lol?

Last edited by RoSeeker; 01-21-2009 at 01:34 AM.
01-21-2009 , 01:31 AM
because poker is a cruel cruel game. What are your stats btw
01-21-2009 , 01:36 AM
Just posted them. Uhhh, note that my current vpip/pfr/af/3bet is way higher. I think that was pulled down mostly when I was 24 tabling like a maniac + it includes 10-20k worth of FR hands.

Funnily enough, my 100NL stats are:

18.8/14.4/2.46, 4.9% 3bet, and yet I'm running at -3.5bb/100 over 3k hands.

I think being a calling station is far more profitable.
01-21-2009 , 01:51 AM
Quote:
50NL: 16.9/13.2/1.7, 3.6 3bet, 34.3% WTSD, 51.0 W$SD
25NL: 16.6/13.3/1.6, 3.3 3bet, 34.2% WTSD, 53.6 W$SD
nit.. lol

i played 100nl a while back.. dropped down since then...

i was winning ... but couldn't handle the swings...and all the freaking 3 betting.
01-21-2009 , 02:05 AM
Nit has 24% WTSD imo =P
01-21-2009 , 02:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoSeeker
Aw man, I wish I was playing poker when I was taking history. I still don't to what extent the decision of choosing mass genocide as the final solution can be accredited to Germany's over extended military, its inability to fulfill territorial expansion plans + securing oil sources in the south.

On second thought, I'd probably have failed while trying to grind SuperNova.


Anyway, on other news, I found this little gem in my HEM, last 2 weeks:

25NL, 12415 hands, 16.38 bb/100, 9.81 evbb/100, $508 won, rake paid: 297.41
50NL, 24058 hands, -0.26 bb/100, 2.56 evbb/100, -$106 won, rake paid: 1108

So I should drop down?

btw, wtf, why can't I run 8 BIs above EV at 100NL??? So unfair.

edit: I found the leak:

50NL: 16.9/13.2/1.7, 3.6 3bet, 34.3% WTSD, 51.0 W$SD
25NL: 16.6/13.3/1.6, 3.3 3bet, 34.2% WTSD, 53.6 W$SD

OH SNAP.

btw, my stats suck? lol?
You already know I suck at NL so take it for what it is worth but; the fact is while 24k hands takes a while to play and it sucks to have a minus number for a win rate, 3-4 coolers can have that much effect on your win rate over that many hands. Don't you suppose?

Open your data base. Look for the ten biggest loss hands. See if you played em right. If you did delete them. Presto better win rate. More confidence=pwn 50NL. imo. Doesnt work in limit but it should work in NL.

(The difference between having a slight negative win rate over a short stretch of hands and trying to invade Russia by land is that you get a second chance on your win rate )

Last edited by Bona; 01-21-2009 at 02:28 AM.

      
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