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06-10-2013 , 12:13 PM
I hate small aces. Trouble hands. AT+ is would be my resteal value range. If the player is tight and fit & fold or has high fold to 3-bet, you could 3-bet that.
06-10-2013 , 12:15 PM
Tilted after running way below EV forever, tried the $3.50 hyper HUSNGs. Holy crap there's a ton of money to be made there. Might be playing a bit of the $1.50s until variance catches up and ill be switching back to cash
06-10-2013 , 12:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishtankz
I hate small aces. Trouble hands. AT+ is would be my resteal value range. If the player is tight and fit & fold or has high fold to 3-bet, you could 3-bet that.
Thanks I'm not a fan of small aces either, they put me in tricky spots
06-10-2013 , 12:24 PM
H2 I'd flat rather than cbet with the intention to c/r a bunch of middling flops (i.e. 865) with at least one heart, and to c/c some others for our A hi SDV. As played, not cbetting is criminal. River sizing is also too big.
06-10-2013 , 01:08 PM
@birdayy Really swingy indeed, my green line is just a straight line with a 30k hands scale lol. But it seems like you're a winning player so keep on grinding, what blind lvl do you play?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dillchips
Tilted after running way below EV forever, tried the $3.50 hyper HUSNGs. Holy crap there's a ton of money to be made there. Might be playing a bit of the $1.50s until variance catches up and ill be switching back to cash
If you want to avoide some variance don't do hyper HUSNG's
06-10-2013 , 01:43 PM
Hi Errybody... gonna take another stab at increasing my BR some more this month! I played almost 3k hands yesterday 8-10 tabling 2nl FR, more hands than I've played in the past 6 months...

BR is @ ~$115 right now, planning to get it to $150 by consistently winning 2nl before I move to 5nl... last two times I tried 5nl I got crushed, perhaps that's why I stopped playing for so long .

I'm re-reading CtM by BlackRain79, getting back to basics and playing a solid long-term strategy... that and Poker Mindset to keep me from getting spewy when things don't go well.

June Garph may come tonight, it looks like a mountain... nice up (was at 15bb/100 at 1500 hands) and then down (ended at something like 5bb/100)

Sucks that after 4 years of Poker I'm still most comfortable posting in the Beginners Forum
06-10-2013 , 07:41 PM
Mixed session.
Some of the fish played such weird lines I ended up calling when they had loltrapped me.
KK<44 hurt the most, flopped set, check called then raised river all on low board.

Some odd hands though.

First one I misclick called rather than raised but surprised SB didn't bet at any point.

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $8.15 (VPIP: 41.46, PFR: 34.15, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 41)
BB: $15.41 (VPIP: 17.80, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 4.13, Hands: 319)
UTG: $6.41 (VPIP: 23.38, PFR: 15.58, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 79)
MP: $3.28 (VPIP: 45.95, PFR: 21.62, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 38)
CO: $5.06 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BTN): $5.75

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has T J

fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.15, 3 players) Q 5 Q
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.15, 3 players) Q
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.15, 3 players) A
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
SB shows 9 Q (Four of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 49%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
BB mucks T 5 (Full House, Queens full of Fives) (Pre 16%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero mucks T J (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 35%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
SB wins $0.15


These two fish were FOS. I had just topped up CO with AQs < AKs AIPF but he had been squeezing and 3betting less than that.
I had a couple of hands that I called down like this and lost and felt like a fish, but still got the feeling they were bull****ting me.

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $2.27 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 30)
BTN: $5.31 (VPIP: 22.40, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 129)
SB: $7.23 (VPIP: 21.90, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 106)
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $4.65 (VPIP: 48.08, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 53)
MP: $5.07 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.08, Hands: 142)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J K

UTG raises to $0.10, fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.32, 3 players) K 6 7
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.07, 3 players) T
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.86, CO calls $0.86, Hero calls $0.86

River: ($3.65, 3 players) 4
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.26, fold, Hero calls $1.26

Spoiler:
UTG shows A 5 (High Card, Ace) (Pre 60%, Flop 48%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows J K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 40%, Flop 52%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins $5.87


Villain here is one of the biggest fish I play against, but I misread my hand!
Thought I had AQ, which I did on another table.
Damn, was surprised to see the money go his way, tired by this point...

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $3.41 (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 8.10, 3Bet Preflop: 1.92, Hands: 449)
SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 18.43, PFR: 14.13, 3Bet Preflop: 3.47, Hands: 380)
BB: $2.07 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 115)
UTG: $3.21 (VPIP: 34.43, PFR: 13.93, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 127)
Hero (MP): $5.17
CO: $3.39 (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 12.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.82, Hands: 106)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A 5

fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 9 Q 3
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.37, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($0.57, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $0.34, BTN calls $0.34

Spoiler:
Hero shows A 5 (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 32%, Flop 21%, Turn 14%)
BTN shows T A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 68%, Flop 79%, Turn 86%)
BTN wins $1.19
06-10-2013 , 09:45 PM
H1: I bet flop, and as played bet river.

H2: Squeeze pre. As played, raise the flop (thin value); turn and river are fine as played.

H3: If you thought you had AQ, why not cbet? I prob cbet anyway, he seems weak-semitight. Lead the turn as played with your actual hand (or AQ, lol); don't know wtf you're doing OTR.
06-11-2013 , 01:25 AM
Lag game going perfect! Getting lucky, playing rusty but it's HUGE improvement from 17/14.
Practising floating. Seems like a standard weak-tight player, he tanked for last 5 seconds of time bank before making the call...
iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 129 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 37.75 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (CO): 118.75 BB
BTN: 89.5 BB (VPIP: 16.86, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 2.67, Hands: 353)
SB: 153.75 BB (VPIP: 10.91, PFR: 7.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
BB: 75 BB (VPIP: 39.22, PFR: 31.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 53)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 7

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) J 5 3
MP bets 3.75 BB, Hero calls 3.75 BB

Turn: (13 BB, 2 players) 3
MP bets 5.5 BB, Hero raises to 17 BB, MP calls 11.5 BB

River: (47 BB, 2 players) 4
MP bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

Spoiler:
MP shows 4 5 (Two Pair, Fives and Fours) (Pre 41%, Flop 79%, Turn 84%)
Hero shows 6 7 (Straight, Seven High) (Pre 59%, Flop 21%, Turn 16%)
Hero wins 72 BB


Another maniac, seems like a logical call given the action.
iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 94.25 BB (VPIP: 16.86, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 2.67, Hands: 353)
BTN: 239 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 48)
SB: 229.75 BB (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 48)
Hero (BB): 127.75 BB
UTG: 381 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 28.79, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 66)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) A 3 9
Hero checks, UTG bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, UTG bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Was scared of getting slowplayed. At the time villain was unknown

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 492.25 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 57)
CO: 154.75 BB (VPIP: 39.39, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 33)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.73, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 51)
SB: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 34.48, PFR: 16.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 88)
Hero (BB): 109.75 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 6

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, SB calls 4 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 2 players) 9 A 8
SB checks, Hero bets 8.25 BB, SB calls 8.25 BB

Turn: (28.5 BB, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (28.5 BB, 2 players) T
SB bets 24 BB, Hero raises to 48 BB, SB calls 24 BB
06-11-2013 , 01:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DasCoupe
Hi Errybody... gonna take another stab at increasing my BR some more this month! I played almost 3k hands yesterday 8-10 tabling 2nl FR, more hands than I've played in the past 6 months...

Sucks that after 4 years of Poker I'm still most comfortable posting in the Beginners Forum
3k hands of 2nl in one day playing only 8-10 tables? That's a LONG day of poker lol... good work

Same here, after all of these years of poker I'm still stuck at plo5 with a small BR.(130)

My problem is too many long breaks, and when I finally did grind up my BR I cashed out

Also, I got crushed at PLO25/ NL 25 over a small sample
06-11-2013 , 01:42 AM
I stopped to play plo2 & plo4 for a while. My argument was that even in my regfish days i made profit in nl2. I tried nitty abc in plo but hardly made profits. I studied the game, read the big play strategy, was active on forums. Yet i was only a slight winner after RB/bonuses. Tried to loosen up my range, started to work out pretty well but i don't feel like continuing that style atm.
When i get good aggressive game going i return to PLO, don't feel like there's a lot of profit to be made playing ABC with high rake.
06-11-2013 , 01:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roszzz
@birdayy Really swingy indeed, my green line is just a straight line with a 30k hands scale lol. But it seems like you're a winning player so keep on grinding, what blind lvl do you play?
Just 5nl zoom. Thing is it gets deep pretty quickly with auto top up on and 4 tables running.

Most sessions I end up around 300+bb deep at a table or two and I may not even be up for the session lol
06-11-2013 , 02:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TDA2
H1: I bet flop, and as played bet river.

H2: Squeeze pre. As played, raise the flop (thin value); turn and river are fine as played.

H3: If you thought you had AQ, why not cbet? I prob cbet anyway, he seems weak-semitight. Lead the turn as played with your actual hand (or AQ, lol); don't know wtf you're doing OTR.
H1: Really bluff into 2 players with very little equity?
H2: Yeah, squeezing is an option.
H3: I thought I had AQ on the river, I didn't think that on the flop. Swapping attention between tables I made a mistake. Tired, and quit shortly after.
06-11-2013 , 02:54 AM
H1: huge chance neither opponent has a piece - a min bet would probably take it down.
H2: Trivially easy fold pre. Fold >> squeeze >>>>> call.
H3: standard c-bet even if you have air. Here you have an over + BDFD so even easier c-bet.
06-11-2013 , 04:06 AM
Hi guys, this is my first post on this thread. Trying to build up my bankroll playing 2NL (mix of standard and zoom) at PS. May was about breakeven, June going well so far. The below graph is June only.



And here are my stats

http://poker-sauce.com/wp-content/up...3/06/Stats.png

I'd like my PFR and VPIP to be closer but is there anything else you can spot?

If you are wondering about the spike near the end of the graph it is due to the hand below. UTG was 60/18 and taking anything to the river. But I still think I probably played this horribly and lucked out?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2233554
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: $8.69
CO: $3.26
BTN: $2.37
SB: $0.77
Hero (BB): $6.95

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with T T
UTG raises to $0.10, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.77 all in, Hero calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.67

Flop: ($2.31) 7 8 5 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $0.96, UTG calls $0.96

Turn: ($4.23) 5 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.20, Hero raises to $5.22 all in, UTG calls $3.02

River: ($14.67) 9 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $14.67
UTG shows A 7 (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
SB shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Fives)
Hero shows T T (two pair, Tens and Fives)
Hero wins $12.14
SB wins $2.23
(Rake: $0.30)
06-11-2013 , 04:16 AM
Hi safeasnf1.
6k hands is probably too few to tell - at least 10k is generally recommended.
Anyhow, looks like you are a little nitty but positional stats might be more useful
06-11-2013 , 04:52 AM
Is 888 poker down or something? I couldn't update the client.
06-11-2013 , 07:31 AM
safeasnf1:

Hand seems fine; although you're prob behind SB's shoving range, that's not guaranteed and you'll be able to milk UTG postflop when he invariably overcalls. Pot the flop, jam the turn.
06-11-2013 , 08:01 AM
Studebaker Hawk - Thanks, I know its a bit early to tell. I have been working on expanding my range a bit more. Here are the stats by position:-



TDA2 - Cheers, SB was a bit of a complication - a short stack and 49/24 over 50 hands, I was willing to take tens all in. Really though it was UTG I was aiming for - he was a massive whale. In fact he was the only reason I was still at that table. I sat waiting for a spot to double up from him and went for this one. It worked -this time but I wondered if I should have waited for a better spot.
06-11-2013 , 08:38 AM
Not sure about what is what exactly, need to have the names at the top of the table, but I guess you're playing 16/12 which is too tight, you can open way more hands expecially from the BTN where you open 19.1% which should be around 30

Also lol @ my graph for this month

06-11-2013 , 08:44 AM
Thanks ugthemc, I thought so too... almost 7 hours of solid Poker! Felt like an entire workday, lol.

Played almost 3 hours last night, won over twice as much as the long day, lol.

Garph:



BR is @ $126 now, wooo


I marked this hand for review, and upon review the next day... I suppose the easy answer is don't 3bet KJs?

Villain was 43/34..... then after the hand realized that was only after 10 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($2.20)
Hero (CO) ($2.22)
Button ($2.90)
SB ($0.78)
BB ($0.80)
UTG ($3.66)
UTG+1 ($2.94)
MP1 ($2.32)
MP2 ($2.14)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, K
UTG bets $0.08, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.24, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.16, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.59) 6, 4, 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.12, Hero ?????

Last edited by DasCoupe; 06-11-2013 at 08:51 AM.
06-11-2013 , 09:29 AM
Nah doesn't seem good. If you want to isolate make it a little bigger. the fish is donking either a pair or fd/straight draw. You could raise in that spot or just call. You have BFD and 2 overs. w/e it's a ton of headache. Never know what the fish is gonna do.
06-11-2013 , 10:19 AM
Yeah, it was a very confusing spot, compounded with already being leery of whether or not to 3bet... he insta-donked the flop too... I figured letting it go and taking the small loss is better than walking into a big loss due to confusion!

I folded Not because that's what I thought I should do, but I didn't know what to do, so I took the safe route.
06-11-2013 , 10:19 AM
Slowplay is the correct way to play this right?

The reason I didn't 4bet him otf because i did put him on a set too.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $10.15 (VPIP: 34.15, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 41)
Hero (CO): $14.18
BTN: $6.00 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 16.07, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 56)
SB: $9.90 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 21)
BB: $7.81 (VPIP: 32.69, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 2 2

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) 2 8 4
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.70, 2 players) 2
SB bets $2.30, Hero raises to $5.70, fold
06-11-2013 , 10:28 AM
Yeah slowplay was better Tarkyo.

Some one was at the door at the moment I hit my quads, fml so mad right now

      
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