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06-09-2013 , 09:42 PM
Had a really bad week, and then I finished reading Getting Started in Hold 'em and read through the "Why You Suck At uNL: Part One" thread.

Ended up blowing through the modest amount of profit I had made for the month, but in the couple of days since then have turned things around and am now up $35, with a $5 bonus in as well.

Guess it pays to read through the FAQ posts!

Of course - it is a small sample size, and probably just variance on my side, but it's nice.

Last edited by outatime; 06-09-2013 at 09:58 PM. Reason: Add last sentence
06-10-2013 , 02:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TDA2
So I decided to have a look at 25NL Zoom FR. I played a short 250 hand session while watching a video (1-tabling). Made a BI but that's not the point. A few observations:
Well, seems like an easy printing machine? What are we all waiting for ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dillchips

calling with TPTK IP this hand?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $7.53 (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 24.64, 3Bet Preflop: 9.62, Hands: 144)
BB: $4.14 (VPIP: 26.74, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 182)
Hero (UTG): $5.00
CO: $10.40 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.37, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 218)
BTN: $4.95 (VPIP: 19.70, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 67)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A K

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BTN calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60, 4 players) 9 3 K
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, fold, SB raises to $1.10, fold, fold
I'd like to call and see if villain continues, if he does bet strongly OTT, most times he has hit is set in my experience

Quote:
Originally Posted by TDA2
Son, if my Pooh-Bah comes out how I want it to, it will be one of the best posts ever on Two Plus Two. Until my Carpal Tunnel at least.
Can you tell us what it's about?

Quote:

5: Lol mate, you're never doing this for value.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $26.84
SB: $25.77 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 17.12, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 113)
BB: $20.51 (VPIP: 18.11, PFR: 16.54, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 130)
UTG: $28.18 (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 52)
MP: $67.56 (VPIP: 17.57, PFR: 10.81, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 74)
CO: $24.76 (VPIP: 29.33, PFR: 22.67, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 78)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.62, SB raises to $2.25, fold, Hero calls $1.63

Flop: ($4.75, 2 players) 7 3 T
SB bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($10.25, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero bets $5.38, SB raises to $20.77 and is all-in, Hero calls $15.39

River: ($51.79, 2 players) 8

Spoiler:
SB shows K A (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 66%, Flop 27%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows T Q (Two Pair, Tens and Eights) (Pre 34%, Flop 73%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins $49.79

Nice call, no way he is doing this to get his made hands paid off wp
06-10-2013 , 03:28 AM
Two hands I played yesterday,

H1: Normally don't bluff at 10NL cause I get called way to often But this was such an easy spot imo

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP: $14.42 (144.2 bb)
    CO: $17.89 (178.9 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
    SB: $18.09 (180.9 bb)
    BB: $6.25 (62.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q T
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.70) 9 6 J (2 players)
    SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

    Turn: ($1.70) 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

    River: ($3.50) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, SB folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $3.50 pot ($0.16 rake)
    Final Board: 9 6 J 4 3
    Hero mucked Q T and won $3.34 ($1.64 net)
    SB mucked and lost (-$1.70 net)


    H2: I checked the turn because I didn't want to make the pot too big, betting 3 streets with TPTK on this board feels really thin, and it made the river call really easy

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $12.83 (128.3 bb)
      SB: $12.74 (127.4 bb)
      BB: $15.20 (152 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
      MP: $19.25 (192.5 bb)
      CO: $12.64 (126.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with A J
      Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, BB calls $0.30

      Flop: ($0.85) T J 9 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

      Turn: ($1.85) 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($1.85) 3 (2 players)
      BB bets $1.06, Hero calls $1.06

      Spoiler:
      Results: $3.97 pot ($0.18 rake)
      Final Board: T J 9 6 3
      BB showed K A and lost (-$1.96 net)
      Hero showed A J and won $3.79 ($1.83 net)


      Probably playing the whole day now, though I notice a lot of 10NL regs at the tables so need to table select more
      06-10-2013 , 03:37 AM
      Yeah no relevant notes on both hands.

      Rozzzz, h1 I think it's fine although calling the turn can be quite marginal between calling or folding, but river bet should be totally fine if he has a tendency to just double barrel and c/f shutdown river. H2 wp depending in villain though, if he was a average reg and would be firing 100% of the times in this spot then wp
      06-10-2013 , 04:59 AM
      Thanks Dillchips

      Just had the weirdest session ever, sat on a table with two crazy guys, one on my direct left other on my right, and they both stacked of with one pair hands.

      I lost 1.5 BI's to one of them, he had Aces just as I hit my top pair, great timing.

        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        CO: $10.08 (100.8 bb)
        BTN: $11.77 (117.7 bb)
        SB: $14.42 (144.2 bb)
        Hero (BB): $21.27 (212.7 bb)
        UTG: $25.59 (255.9 bb)
        MP: $10.32 (103.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with Q T
        4 folds, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

        Flop: ($0.40) T Q 9 (2 players)
        SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.20

        Turn: ($1) 6 (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $0.88, SB calls $0.88

        River: ($2.76) 6 (2 players)
        SB bets $3, Hero calls $3

        Spoiler:
        Results: $8.76 pot ($0.39 rake)
        Final Board: T Q 9 6 6
        SB showed 7 6 and won $8.37 ($3.99 net)
        Hero mucked Q T and lost (-$4.38 net)



        Can't be unhappy though as I won 3 BI's this whole session. Time for GoT
        06-10-2013 , 06:58 AM
        Do you think that the fish will call if i shove or bluff big?
        Had to call that,i beat all the missed draws. I play aggressive game and lose pots like this, i guess i just have to deal with it when playing with unknowns.

        PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        Hero (BTN): 240.5 BB
        SB: 50.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 5)
        BB: 170.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
        UTG: 222.5 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 18)
        MP: 103 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
        CO: 40 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

        SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

        UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 5 BB

        Flop: (13.5 BB, 2 players) T K 6
        UTG bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 17 BB, UTG calls 16 BB

        Turn: (47.5 BB, 2 players) 7
        UTG checks, Hero bets 32 BB, UTG calls 32 BB

        River: (111.5 BB, 2 players) 6
        UTG bets 5 BB, Hero...
        06-10-2013 , 07:22 AM
        Is this line okay for me to do in the future? I should have just check fold right since villain looks tight.

        PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        MP: $10.00 (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
        CO: $10.11 (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 51)
        BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 27.16, PFR: 21.40, 3Bet Preflop: 15.79, Hands: 247)
        SB: $22.16 (VPIP: 14.47, PFR: 13.19, 3Bet Preflop: 7.35, Hands: 243)
        BB: $12.56 (VPIP: 48.08, PFR: 8.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 107)
        Hero (UTG): $11.84

        SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T T

        Hero raises to $0.30, fold, CO raises to $0.90, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.60

        Flop: ($1.95, 2 players) 6 8 6
        Hero checks, CO bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

        Turn: ($4.35, 2 players) Q
        Hero checks, CO bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

        River: ($7.75, 2 players) 4
        Hero bets $8.04 and is all-in, CO calls $6.31 and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows T T (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes) (Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 0%)
        CO shows Q Q (Full House, Queens full of Sixes) (Pre 82%, Flop 90%, Turn 100%)
        CO wins $19.45




        Was putting him on a flush draw...

        PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 34.18, PFR: 26.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 80)
        BTN: $12.91 (VPIP: 53.97, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
        Hero (SB): $10.70

        Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K A

        BTN raises to $0.26, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.70, BTN calls $0.54

        Flop: ($2.40, 3 players) K Q 7
        Hero bets $1.80, BB raises to $4.40, fold, Hero raises to $9.90 and is all-in, BB calls $4.80 and is all-in

        Turn: ($20.80, 2 players) J

        River: ($20.80, 2 players) 9

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows K A (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 45%, Flop 7%, Turn 25%)
        BB shows 7 7 (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 55%, Flop 93%, Turn 75%)
        BB wins $19.86
        06-10-2013 , 07:53 AM
        @roszzz:

        H1: I'd definitely bet close to pot or slightly over it as his range is capped and he's not going to c/r the river; further, he might be scaredly trying to c/c Jx.

        H2: Without a read that he bluffs his missed draws, I'd bet the turn and xb the river to maximise from any straight draws he can have - plus he should be c/ring a lot of his strong hands OTF.

        @fishtankz:

        I'd just call down vs small bets. Our hand has SDV, no need to turn it into a bluff. I also wouldn't cbet this board vs a fish with SDV.

        @tarkyo:

        H1: You need to consider what ranges people are 3betting to a greater degree postflop. It's unlikely he's 3betting wider than premiums in this spot, so the river jam won't get called by worse. You just fold out AKhh and JJ - the latter only if you're lucky. I think c/c the turn, c/f the river is fine.

        H2: WP, take a note.
        06-10-2013 , 07:55 AM
        Thanks TDA! Was actually trying to rep a boat.



        Is this bad play? When he raised so big I was putting him on premium pairs.

        PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        Hero (SB): $10.63
        BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 11.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 68)
        UTG: $4.75 (VPIP: 73.28, PFR: 9.48, 3Bet Preflop: 1.75, Hands: 121)
        CO: $11.19 (VPIP: 19.37, PFR: 12.42, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 319)
        BTN: $13.22 (VPIP: 31.11, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 92)

        Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6 6

        UTG calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.60, fold, Hero calls $0.55, fold, UTG calls $0.50

        Flop: ($1.90, 3 players) 8 7 5
        Hero checks, UTG bets $0.10, CO raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $10.03 and is all-in, fold, CO calls $8.53

        Turn: ($22.06, 2 players) 3

        River: ($22.06, 2 players) 2

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows 6 6 (One Pair, Sixes) (Pre 20%, Flop 39%, Turn 23%)
        CO shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 80%, Flop 61%, Turn 77%)
        CO wins $21.07
        06-10-2013 , 07:56 AM
        Why would you do that if you put him on premium pairs?
        06-10-2013 , 08:16 AM
        Well I thought a check raise would indicate a set or maybe a low straight.

        The correct way should be pushing him all in on the turn right? The reason I check raise AI on the flop because I got open ended straight draws and chances of hitting a set too.


        Pretty bad session. Lost 6BIs.
        06-10-2013 , 09:20 AM
        No man, just call the flop and play for implied odds. You have basically no fold equity (people DON'T fold overpairs, especially not the sort of person that opens it 6x), so don't give them credit for being able to hand read.
        06-10-2013 , 09:33 AM
        Bit of a sucky day. One of those days when nothing goes right - KK < AK, AA < KK, straight < set etc. Now running 6BI under EV at 25NL and 1BI under EV at 50NL. Lolloseallflipaments.
        06-10-2013 , 09:35 AM
        What TDA sais, no fold equity, no chance of getting him out of the pot

        Just played a drunken/tilting Russian guy, who lost around $60, he just shoved terrible hands and also spew his gal in chat. I used google translate and had a pretty fun session, though I was waiting and waiting for good hands and finally this hand came along

          Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          Hero (BB): $15.68 (156.8 bb)
          UTG: $15.78 (157.8 bb)
          MP: $10 (100 bb)
          CO: $19.09 (190.9 bb)
          BTN: $55.55 (555.5 bb)
          SB: $6.04 (60.4 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with J J
          2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB raises to $6.04 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.94, CO folds

          Flop: ($12.38) 6 9 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          Turn: ($12.38) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: ($12.38) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $12.38 pot ($0.56 rake)
          Final Board: 6 9 5 5 5
          Hero showed J J and lost (-$6.04 net)
          SB showed 5 8 and won $11.82 ($5.78 net)


          Didn't expect to win anyways cuz this is how I roll
          06-10-2013 , 10:16 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by denks
          Bit of a sucky day. One of those days when nothing goes right - KK < AK, AA < KK, straight < set etc. Now running 6BI under EV at 25NL and 1BI under EV at 50NL. Lolloseallflipaments.
          A straight beats a set, bud? /hmm
          06-10-2013 , 10:51 AM
          Had to gamble a bit to end the day in profit. Nl2 6-max zoom. Trying out a new style.

          Kinda misplayed from PF to river but always fun when this happens. And it won't happen again
          PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
          Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

          BTN: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
          SB: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
          BB: 84 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
          UTG: 187 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
          MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 11)
          Hero (CO): 103 BB

          SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

          Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 4

          fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

          Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 6 8 2
          BB checks, MP bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, fold

          Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 5
          MP bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, MP raises to 92 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 57 BB

          River: (203.5 BB, 2 players) J

          MP shows 7 7 (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 85%, Flop 84%, Turn 16%)
          Hero shows 3 4 (Straight, Six High) (Pre 15%, Flop 16%, Turn 84%)
          Hero wins 196.5 BB

          Interesting flop! Thought that i was fooling no one when i bet
          Vs standard fit & fold zoomer it's an easy cbet.
            Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17857652

            BTN: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
            Hero (SB): $2.18 (109 bb)
            BB: $1.82 (91 bb)
            UTG: $5.63 (281.5 bb)
            MP: $1.95 (97.5 bb)
            CO: $2.26 (113 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with A T
            3 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.20, BB folds, BTN calls $0.14

            Flop: ($0.42) 7 7 2 (2 players)
            Hero checks, BTN checks

            Turn: ($0.42) 2 (2 players)
            Hero bets $0.26, BTN calls $0.26

            River: ($0.94) 3 (2 players)
            Hero bets $0.80, BTN folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $0.94 pot ($0.03 rake)
            Final Board: 7 7 2 2 3
            BTN mucked and lost (-$0.46 net)
            Hero mucked A T and won $0.91 ($0.45 net)



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            06-10-2013 , 11:20 AM
            Both those hands are played terribly. Your new style is not +EV.
            06-10-2013 , 11:29 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Longinus
            A straight beats a set, bud? /hmm
            Variance can be a bitch
            06-10-2013 , 11:34 AM
            Fishtankz How did you come up with this new style?
            06-10-2013 , 11:48 AM
            [PHP][/PHP]
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by TDA2
            Both those hands are played terribly. Your new style is not +EV.
            I'm thinking is it really +EV to 3bet with AT suited, and from the SB as well??
            06-10-2013 , 11:50 AM
            Well i was playing 17/14 before. I started omaha and started to understand position more.
            Can't be a nit with scared money, like the zoom opponents are. So it's basicly small ball with almost ATC IP. Raise and watch them fold.
            @TDA
            h1 was terrible and at the end of the session where i was losing focus. Still good to get paid in some of these -EV spots, knowing that i won't make the same mistake again.
            @Shiva
            River bet was too big in h2. If villain had more SD value than us we are giving away free money.
            06-10-2013 , 11:53 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Fishtankz
            Well i was playing 17/14 before. I started omaha and started to understand position more.
            Can't be a nit with scared money, like the zoom opponents are. So it's basicly small ball with almost ATC IP. Raise and watch them fold.
            @TDA
            h1 was terrible and at the end of the session where i was losing focus. Still good to get paid in some of these -EV spots, knowing that i won't make the same mistake again.
            @Shiva
            River bet was too big in h2. If villain had more SD value than us we are giving away free money.

            Well yea, I'm just wondering because I am having some dilemmas from time to time with the AXo and suited cards both OOP and IP, I was told to fold when someone raises the pot (and raise unraised pots) so that's why 3betting like that PF looks weird to me. What I want to know is what I should do
            06-10-2013 , 11:59 AM
            We block an ace. BTN is pretty surely stealing so it's quite standard play for me.
            06-10-2013 , 12:08 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Fishtankz
            We block an ace. BTN is pretty surely stealing so it's quite standard play for me.

            Makes sense. Would you do it with let's say A8o?
            06-10-2013 , 12:09 PM
            So sick of these swings. Gotta start putting in more volume after exams.


                  
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