20bb/100 is $10 an hour at 5nl zoom if you are 4 tabling. I doubt you played 14.6 hours worth of poker today and I doubt 20bb/100 is even close to being achievable at 5nl zoom, like half that is probably pushing it.
So although 5nl zoom is clueless you ran unbelievably hot.
Always curious about these spots.
What's the plan for hands like this, usually? Calling or raise/jamming? Fold pre? Obviously two overs + FD have a fair amount of equity, but they're pretty small overcards, and you'd have to expect his range to be stronger with that bet sizing.
@Oly Looks like an easy flat.
First session of the year ended +EV. Had position on a fish who limp/called BTN and folded to cbet on 922.
January goal will be to build roll on 10nl. Will have 4 days of school and 3 off, so will have to see what it develops into. A lot of poker?
Okay, then on turn?
Do we flat, fold, or jam? Obviously we've got about 30% equity against overpairs, so we're not in the worst shape if we jam and get called, and it's hard to find merits in folding with said 30% equity (and the chance we're now ahead of AKss, or just an AKo that barrelled).
@olly - What's your flatting range? What do you think villains 3bet range is?
I'd be surprised if it wasn't a pretty easy call. But post the ranges and see how you want to play them and why.
edit - I don't think we're folding turn, all we've done is picked up outs against overpairs and we now are ahead of any other stronger FDs in villains range which had us crushed previously. Whether this might become a hand we want to shove I don't know. Villain can't really fold any of his FDs, which we block the outs for which is awesome and we might fold out some TT, JJ but I don't think we really rep anything. Depends on your flop ranges though.
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Originally Posted by Mark89er
I just fold pre and forget marginally ****e spots such you will be in the turn if u float this board.......probably a poor mindset for nl25+
Pretty nitty fold if villain is 3betting a somewhat decent amount imo. If he's 3betting like 3% then ye fold ggwpez.
I had no clue of his stats since I didn't have my HUD up at the time.
Looking back at it now, he 3bets 1.9%... lol, couldn't have picked a worse spot to defend, I suppose. So his range is going to be super-strong here. At the time, I'd figured a 3betting range should be AQ+, TT+, sometimes even as loose as AJ depending on Villain. It's tough to say without a HUD.
My range differs. Usually 88+, sometimes all PP's if it's like a min-3bet or 2x 3bet or something. Some suited connectors, some broadway cards (but nothing like KT or QT).
If, say, he 3bet 2% of the time, being this deep would there be merits in calling? If he 3bets such a narrow range, it'll be hard for him to get away from that range postflop yeah? If not, just folding pre?
Ignoring the stats you posted afterwards, I think calling turn might be ok since it looks like V's hand is strong enough to call you if you hit otr (ie implied odds). If you make another 1.50 otr you break even on your call ott
Shoving is the nut low since it's evident you have practically zero fold equity
Also, stacks are really deep. Calling with 98s is virtually the same thing as calling with 44
Okay, then on turn?
Do we flat, fold, or jam? Obviously we've got about 30% equity against overpairs, so we're not in the worst shape if we jam and get called, and it's hard to find merits in folding with said 30% equity (and the chance we're now ahead of AKss, or just an AKo that barrelled).
River:($16.00, 2 players) K Hero bets $6.25, UTG calls $6.25
Spoiler:
Hero shows T T (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 18%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%) UTG shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 82%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%) UTG wins $27.22
fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB raises to $3.45, fold, Hero raises to $7.25, BTN calls $6.50, SB raises to $27.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $17.75 and is all-in, BTN calls $19.75
but i'm not entirely sure how to play FD's in 3bet pots. We obviously should be raising some since we have all the sets in our range that we want to raise for value. What makes a FD good to call IP and bad as a raise?
My thoughts are the nut flush draw should be called since it has SDV and we want to keep his worse flushes in, but shouldn't that mean a lot of our weaker ones like Q high and 9 high should be raised?
If your not raising many FDs here what hands are you raising to balance your sets? or are you just calling your sets?(which seems sub optimal IMO)
Why do we want to raise with a FD and get blown off our equity, we have hands with less equity that we can turn into bluffs and I'd argue that we don't always have low PP type hands in our range so we don't really rep a huge amount in a hand like the one posted.
I suppose it depends what our flatting range is looking like in a spot like this though. As that's the only way we're going to possibly be able to balance it.
Also actually looking at Ollys hand if he is only 3betting like 2% we don't want to be bluffing him often at all as he'll likely stack off with most of his range.
Also it's good to have hands we flat in our flop range that we can turn into bluffs on later streets. 98s Could possibly be that on some turn cards although I kind of feel that the board is too dry to really rep much in this scenario and as a standard we probably don't flat enough nutty hands we'd just 4bet them.
Read my posts before I actually post them and make sure it contains everything I actually want to say instead of constantly editing them to the point where they read like crap.
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Why do we want to raise with a FD and get blown off our equity, we have hands with less equity that we can turn into bluffs and I'd argue that we don't always have low PP type hands in our range so we don't really rep a huge amount in a hand like the one posted.
Yeah I agree that we don't want to get blown off our equity but I don't think he is going to 3bet very often given we have all the value hands in our range(sets) and he has none(but maybe V doesn't' realise that).
I didn't see in the second post that he only had 1.9% 3bet. Well then it's a obvious call.
@Birdayy, I'd shove the river in H7 and hope he's bad and calls with 6x or something that he decided to check. Alternatively bet mega small and try to induce spazz and/or super-light calls.
@Birdayy, I'd shove the river in H7 and hope he's bad and calls with 6x or something that he decided to check. Alternatively bet mega small and try to induce spazz and/or super-light calls.
Starting with $125, decided to try playing Zoom this year, really fun!
Planning on making a PGC thread at the start of Feburary with goals based on where I'm at at the time.