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01-01-2014 , 06:10 PM
In for 2014!
01-01-2014 , 06:30 PM
Are u a tag- tight agressive

Or

A fish

Thats the real question

Imo, u should be aggressive, build up pots and win money
01-01-2014 , 07:26 PM
Well thats 1st day completed

Started 50usd
Finished up 146usd
Nl5 zoom is clueless + some run good tbf

Move up at 20bi for 5 bi shoot

Dunno if its better to play ringgames over zoom as rakeback sucks anal
01-01-2014 , 07:32 PM
20bb/100 is $10 an hour at 5nl zoom if you are 4 tabling. I doubt you played 14.6 hours worth of poker today and I doubt 20bb/100 is even close to being achievable at 5nl zoom, like half that is probably pushing it.

So although 5nl zoom is clueless you ran unbelievably hot.
01-01-2014 , 07:36 PM
Clearly stated i ran good

That said, some crazy ****ers play some crazy button clicking...

Standby my statement tho.....

Dunno how to gey ipad hhs onto a graph, super curious on how many hands i played and some basic stats

Last edited by Mark89er; 01-01-2014 at 07:52 PM. Reason: Fish on a heaterrrrrrr
01-01-2014 , 08:10 PM
Always curious about these spots.
What's the plan for hands like this, usually? Calling or raise/jamming? Fold pre? Obviously two overs + FD have a fair amount of equity, but they're pretty small overcards, and you'd have to expect his range to be stronger with that bet sizing.



    $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $18.71 (187.1 bb)
    SB: $43.18 (431.8 bb)
    BB: $25.71 (257.1 bb)
    UTG: $15.43 (154.3 bb)
    MP: $10 (100 bb)
    Hero (CO): $18.40 (184 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 8
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.90, BB folds, Hero calls $0.65

    Flop: ($1.90) 4 2 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $1.30
    01-01-2014 , 08:12 PM
    @Oly Looks like an easy flat.
    First session of the year ended +EV. Had position on a fish who limp/called BTN and folded to cbet on 922.
    January goal will be to build roll on 10nl. Will have 4 days of school and 3 off, so will have to see what it develops into. A lot of poker?
    01-01-2014 , 08:16 PM
    Okay, then on turn?
    Do we flat, fold, or jam? Obviously we've got about 30% equity against overpairs, so we're not in the worst shape if we jam and get called, and it's hard to find merits in folding with said 30% equity (and the chance we're now ahead of AKss, or just an AKo that barrelled).

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $18.71 (187.1 bb)
      SB: $43.18 (431.8 bb)
      BB: $25.71 (257.1 bb)
      UTG: $15.43 (154.3 bb)
      MP: $10 (100 bb)
      Hero (CO): $18.40 (184 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 8
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.90, BB folds, Hero calls $0.65

      Flop: ($1.90) 4 2 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

      Turn: ($4.50) 8 (2 players)
      SB bets $3
      01-01-2014 , 08:18 PM
      I just fold pre and forget marginally ****e spots such you will be in the turn if u float this board.......probably a poor mindset for nl25+
      01-01-2014 , 08:20 PM
      @olly - What's your flatting range? What do you think villains 3bet range is?

      I'd be surprised if it wasn't a pretty easy call. But post the ranges and see how you want to play them and why.

      edit - I don't think we're folding turn, all we've done is picked up outs against overpairs and we now are ahead of any other stronger FDs in villains range which had us crushed previously. Whether this might become a hand we want to shove I don't know. Villain can't really fold any of his FDs, which we block the outs for which is awesome and we might fold out some TT, JJ but I don't think we really rep anything. Depends on your flop ranges though.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Mark89er
      I just fold pre and forget marginally ****e spots such you will be in the turn if u float this board.......probably a poor mindset for nl25+
      Pretty nitty fold if villain is 3betting a somewhat decent amount imo. If he's 3betting like 3% then ye fold ggwpez.

      Last edited by MMSS; 01-01-2014 at 08:27 PM.
      01-01-2014 , 08:31 PM
      I had no clue of his stats since I didn't have my HUD up at the time.
      Looking back at it now, he 3bets 1.9%... lol, couldn't have picked a worse spot to defend, I suppose. So his range is going to be super-strong here. At the time, I'd figured a 3betting range should be AQ+, TT+, sometimes even as loose as AJ depending on Villain. It's tough to say without a HUD.

      My range differs. Usually 88+, sometimes all PP's if it's like a min-3bet or 2x 3bet or something. Some suited connectors, some broadway cards (but nothing like KT or QT).

      If, say, he 3bet 2% of the time, being this deep would there be merits in calling? If he 3bets such a narrow range, it'll be hard for him to get away from that range postflop yeah? If not, just folding pre?
      01-01-2014 , 08:32 PM
      Folding 9 high at nl10 to a 3bet is never nitty imo
      01-01-2014 , 09:01 PM
      Oly just fold your sc vs his monsters range even this deep and call with pockets.
      01-01-2014 , 09:44 PM
      Ignoring the stats you posted afterwards, I think calling turn might be ok since it looks like V's hand is strong enough to call you if you hit otr (ie implied odds). If you make another 1.50 otr you break even on your call ott

      Shoving is the nut low since it's evident you have practically zero fold equity

      Also, stacks are really deep. Calling with 98s is virtually the same thing as calling with 44
      01-02-2014 , 01:18 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by OlyBrah
      Okay, then on turn?
      Do we flat, fold, or jam? Obviously we've got about 30% equity against overpairs, so we're not in the worst shape if we jam and get called, and it's hard to find merits in folding with said 30% equity (and the chance we're now ahead of AKss, or just an AKo that barrelled).

        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        BTN: $18.71 (187.1 bb)
        SB: $43.18 (431.8 bb)
        BB: $25.71 (257.1 bb)
        UTG: $15.43 (154.3 bb)
        MP: $10 (100 bb)
        Hero (CO): $18.40 (184 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 8
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.90, BB folds, Hero calls $0.65

        Flop: ($1.90) 4 2 7 (2 players)
        SB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

        Turn: ($4.50) 8 (2 players)
        SB bets $3
        3 calls so far are correct
        01-02-2014 , 02:34 AM
        Hands from the marathon session -

        H1 -

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        MP: $37.68 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 111)
        CO: $20.00
        BTN: $19.01 (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 36)
        Hero (SB): $36.40
        BB: $25.00 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
        UTG: $39.72 (VPIP: 19.84, PFR: 12.62, 3Bet Preflop: 2.64, Hands: 787)

        Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25, CO posts DB $0.25

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.60) Hero has T T

        UTG raises to $1.00, fold, fold, BTN calls $1.00, Hero calls $0.90, fold

        Flop: ($3.50, 3 players) 7 5 T
        Hero checks, UTG bets $2.17, fold, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG calls $4.08

        Turn: ($16.00, 2 players) 9
        Hero checks, UTG checks

        River: ($16.00, 2 players) K
        Hero bets $6.25, UTG calls $6.25

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows T T (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 18%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
        UTG shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 82%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
        UTG wins $27.22



        H2 -

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        Hero (SB): $35.05
        BB: $32.16 (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 18.92, 3Bet Preflop: 17.65, Hands: 37)
        UTG: $20.31 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
        MP: $32.64 (VPIP: 18.60, PFR: 13.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
        CO: $25.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
        BTN: $53.90 (VPIP: 37.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)

        Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K Q

        fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, Hero calls $1.50

        Flop: ($4.50, 2 players) K T 7
        Hero checks, BB bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

        Turn: ($10.00, 2 players) A
        Hero checks, BB checks

        River: ($10.00, 2 players) J
        Hero checks, BB checks

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows K Q (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 46%, Flop 56%, Turn 75%)
        BB mucks J J (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 54%, Flop 44%, Turn 25%)
        Hero wins $9.55


        H3 -

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        CO: $25.75 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 28)
        BTN: $21.94 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
        Hero (SB): $28.01
        BB: $49.35 (VPIP: 22.12, PFR: 17.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 119)
        UTG: $25.00 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 45)

        Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q A

        fold, fold, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.00, BB raises to $3.00, BTN calls $2.75, Hero calls $2.00

        Flop: ($9.00, 3 players) 4 7 3
        Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00, fold

        Turn: ($13.00, 2 players) 2
        Hero checks, BTN checks

        River: ($13.00, 2 players) 3
        Hero checks, BTN bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

        Spoiler:
        BTN shows A 9 (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 31%, Flop 9%, Turn 8%)
        Hero shows Q A (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 69%, Flop 91%, Turn 92%)
        Hero wins $17.19


        H4 -

        YOLO

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        Hero (BB): $25.00
        UTG: $34.09 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 21)
        CO: $22.07 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 43)
        BTN: $38.48 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 20)
        SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 20.55, PFR: 10.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 76)

        SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A T

        UTG raises to $0.62, fold, BTN calls $0.62, fold, Hero calls $0.37

        Flop: ($1.96, 3 players) 4 Q 2
        Hero checks, UTG bets $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $3.00, UTG calls $2.25

        Turn: ($7.96, 2 players) 3
        Hero bets $4.75, UTG calls $4.75

        River: ($17.46, 2 players) 4
        Hero bets $16.63 and is all-in, UTG calls $16.63

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows A T (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 73%, Flop 90%, Turn 92%)
        UTG mucks 9 A (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 27%, Flop 10%, Turn 8%)
        Hero wins $48.72


        H5 -

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        SB: $18.30 (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 64)
        BB: $14.09 (VPIP: 58.97, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 39)
        Hero (UTG): $30.43
        CO: $35.83 (VPIP: 18.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
        BTN: $25.00 (VPIP: 14.41, PFR: 12.61, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 114)

        SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q Q

        Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $2.00, Hero calls $1.25

        Flop: ($4.10, 2 players) 5 5 T
        BB bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

        Turn: ($8.60, 2 players) J
        BB bets $9.84 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.84

        River: ($28.28, 2 players) 4

        Spoiler:
        BB shows 2 7 (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 12%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
        Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fives) (Pre 88%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
        Hero wins $27.01


        H6 -

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        SB: $27.00 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 27.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 42)
        BB: $27.51 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 9)
        UTG: $13.29 (VPIP: 24.19, PFR: 18.14, 3Bet Preflop: 15.29, Hands: 220)
        Hero (CO): $25.00
        BTN: $32.81 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

        SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K K

        fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB raises to $3.45, fold, Hero raises to $7.25, BTN calls $6.50, SB raises to $27.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $17.75 and is all-in, BTN calls $19.75

        Flop: ($79.25, 3 players) 7 Q 4

        Turn: ($79.25, 3 players) 5

        River: ($79.25, 3 players) 8

        Spoiler:
        SB shows J J (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 11%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
        BTN shows J A (High Card, Ace) (Pre 28%, Flop 17%, Turn 7%)
        Hero shows K K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 61%, Flop 78%, Turn 90%)
        SB wins $4.00
        Hero wins $73.25


        H7 -

        Betsize ?

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        CO: $102.93 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.80, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 126)
        Hero (BTN): $25.25
        SB: $10.10 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
        BB: $26.69 (VPIP: 37.78, PFR: 37.78, 3Bet Preflop: 35.71, Hands: 45)
        UTG: $24.48 (VPIP: 20.13, PFR: 15.69, 3Bet Preflop: 8.62, Hands: 161)

        SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T T

        UTG raises to $1.00, fold, Hero calls $1.00, fold, fold

        Flop: ($2.35, 2 players) 7 T T
        UTG bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

        Turn: ($5.95, 2 players) 9
        UTG bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00

        River: ($13.95, 2 players) 8
        UTG checks, Hero bets $7.75, fold

        Spoiler:
        Hero wins $13.32
        01-02-2014 , 03:07 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by asriva
        BB shows 2 7 (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 12%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
        Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fives) (Pre 88%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
        Hero wins $27.01

        lulz
        01-02-2014 , 08:15 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Mr Blonde
        3 calls so far are correct
        +1,

        but i'm not entirely sure how to play FD's in 3bet pots. We obviously should be raising some since we have all the sets in our range that we want to raise for value. What makes a FD good to call IP and bad as a raise?

        My thoughts are the nut flush draw should be called since it has SDV and we want to keep his worse flushes in, but shouldn't that mean a lot of our weaker ones like Q high and 9 high should be raised?

        If your not raising many FDs here what hands are you raising to balance your sets? or are you just calling your sets?(which seems sub optimal IMO)


        and if anyone missed it: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...stars-1403425/

        I got 1k VPP from the bonus niceee
        01-02-2014 , 08:23 AM
        Why do we want to raise with a FD and get blown off our equity, we have hands with less equity that we can turn into bluffs and I'd argue that we don't always have low PP type hands in our range so we don't really rep a huge amount in a hand like the one posted.

        I suppose it depends what our flatting range is looking like in a spot like this though. As that's the only way we're going to possibly be able to balance it.

        Also actually looking at Ollys hand if he is only 3betting like 2% we don't want to be bluffing him often at all as he'll likely stack off with most of his range.

        Also it's good to have hands we flat in our flop range that we can turn into bluffs on later streets. 98s Could possibly be that on some turn cards although I kind of feel that the board is too dry to really rep much in this scenario and as a standard we probably don't flat enough nutty hands we'd just 4bet them.

        Last edited by MMSS; 01-02-2014 at 08:28 AM.
        01-02-2014 , 08:31 AM
        2014 Goal

        Read my posts before I actually post them and make sure it contains everything I actually want to say instead of constantly editing them to the point where they read like crap.

        Last edited by MMSS; 01-02-2014 at 08:31 AM. Reason: spelling lololol
        01-02-2014 , 08:31 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by MMSS
        Why do we want to raise with a FD and get blown off our equity, we have hands with less equity that we can turn into bluffs and I'd argue that we don't always have low PP type hands in our range so we don't really rep a huge amount in a hand like the one posted.
        Yeah I agree that we don't want to get blown off our equity but I don't think he is going to 3bet very often given we have all the value hands in our range(sets) and he has none(but maybe V doesn't' realise that).

        I didn't see in the second post that he only had 1.9% 3bet. Well then it's a obvious call.
        01-02-2014 , 08:33 AM
        @Birdayy, I'd shove the river in H7 and hope he's bad and calls with 6x or something that he decided to check. Alternatively bet mega small and try to induce spazz and/or super-light calls.
        01-02-2014 , 09:02 AM


        Was playing $100 games/ 100nl 2009-2012, played poker for 10 years and pro for 4/5 years.

        Although this microstakes graph is fairly ok i struggle even at 5nl now.

        Time to retire from poker i think

        Last edited by Wilfred1; 01-02-2014 at 09:04 AM. Reason: Soul is crushed
        01-02-2014 , 09:14 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
        @Birdayy, I'd shove the river in H7 and hope he's bad and calls with 6x or something that he decided to check. Alternatively bet mega small and try to induce spazz and/or super-light calls.
        Huh? You talking about asriva?
        01-02-2014 , 09:56 AM
        Starting with $125, decided to try playing Zoom this year, really fun!
        Planning on making a PGC thread at the start of Feburary with goals based on where I'm at at the time.

        GL in 2014 all.

              
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