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10-21-2009 , 05:02 PM
Okay... here's a hypothetical situation at 10NL.

This is our 3rd hand at the table. The first two hands have gone like this: It folds around to a player who then limps his button. The SB raises and everyone folds. The next hand is the same. The CO limps, BTN raises and everyone folds.

Here is the 3rd hand at the table:
CO is the player who limped and folded to a raise in the previous two hands.

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds. We're on the BTN with XX.

Should we raise to isolate with?
1. KJo
2. J9s
3. A7o
4. 89s
5. 58s
6. 56s
7. 78o
8. 73o

I've been thinking about this a bit and I once heard that someone would only raise this range: QJs+,22+,A2s+,A9o+,KQo to isolate. I thought that he was lightning money on fire and recommended that he should widen his range even though it's only the 3rd hand at the table.

The hands are roughly listed in order of strength. What's the highest # that you would raise to isolate? Thoughts?
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10-21-2009 , 05:03 PM
Me and my friend here are simply disagreeing on our play style here are my thoughts:

I’m at a fresh table with no information on the players. I play very straight forward poker until I gain some information on my opponents including pre-post flop play. Once I gain this information, I adapt accordingly.

I would raise and isolate here with KJs, any pair, high suited connectors.
My friend here would raise anything here to isolate like 58o no trash. I rather wait and get more information here before making any plays. Thoughts?

Get more information first on the table and raise standard solid value hands?
Start of right off the bat with raising to isolate limpers.
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10-21-2009 , 05:51 PM
1. yes
2. yes
3. marginal
4. yes
5. no
6. marginal
7. marginal
8. never

I don't like mid AXo, particularly A6 or A7. They're ugly, have little to no kicker or straight possibilities.

Last edited by ezakuroy; 10-21-2009 at 05:56 PM.
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10-21-2009 , 06:02 PM
Assuming 100bb stacks

Everything except 73o, possibly fold 85s/87o too depending on how much you are likely to get 3b by the blinds. In most games below nl100 or something I guess this is hardly ever.

Punishing limps is massively profitable, especially when you have seen them limp/fold twice already.
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10-21-2009 , 06:50 PM
I'm probably raising #1 - #8, but #5 and #7 are the most marginal and depending on who is in the blinds and if I knew the limper called a decent amount pre-flop and didn't fold to too many cbets then I may not raise them.
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10-21-2009 , 07:48 PM
I'd isolate with 1-7
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10-21-2009 , 08:12 PM
Ok If I am isolating I like 4 and up.

I will add a dynamic that happens with these isolating plays.
If people see you isolating light vs a player they will re-raise knowing you are light.
Creating the squeeze play on the guy you had been trying to isolate.

Players are getting better and I am seeing this more and more.
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10-21-2009 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I'm probably raising #1 - #8, but #5 and #7 are the most marginal and depending on who is in the blinds and if I knew the limper called a decent amount pre-flop and didn't fold to too many cbets then I may not raise them.
I meant #1 - #7.
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10-21-2009 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kaos_
Okay... here's a hypothetical situation at 10NL.

This is our 3rd hand at the table. The first two hands have gone like this: It folds around to a player who then limps his button. The SB raises and everyone folds. The next hand is the same. The CO limps, BTN raises and everyone folds.

Here is the 3rd hand at the table:
CO is the player who limped and folded to a raise in the previous two hands.

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds. We're on the BTN with XX.

Should we raise to isolate with?
1. KJo
2. J9s
3. A7o
4. 89s
5. 58s
6. 56s
7. 78o
8. 73o

I've been thinking about this a bit and I once heard that someone would only raise this range: QJs+,22+,A2s+,A9o+,KQo to isolate. I thought that he was lightning money on fire and recommended that he should widen his range even though it's only the 3rd hand at the table.

The hands are roughly listed in order of strength. What's the highest # that you would raise to isolate? Thoughts?
me personally, i would isolate with hands 1,3,4,and 6... or any suited ace.. anytime someone limps and im on the button usually i will raise... and bet on the flop no matter what shows... thats one of my strategies...
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10-21-2009 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Truckin
Ok If I am isolating I like 4 and up.

I will add a dynamic that happens with these isolating plays.
If people see you isolating light vs a player they will re-raise knowing you are light.
Creating the squeeze play on the guy you had been trying to isolate.

Players are getting better and I am seeing this more and more.
10NL
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10-21-2009 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Combat Waitress
10NL
Good point.

Not so much at this lvl.
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