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02-07-2009 , 08:05 AM
I started playing poker for the first time yesterday(well for $). I played 465 hands and im down 377 big blinds or -7.54 at the .01/.02 cent level. I know 465 hands is not a good sample and I know there is huge variance involved in poker. I lost about 90% of my bb on the river(sucked out on). I currently only have 15 buy ins. But this doesnt excuse my play.Nevermind the weak sample. What I am stressed about is my thought process. I hate it. My ability to think fast incorproating all the imporant parts in a hand is just horrible. There was so many times yesterday i lost time on a hand due to trying to find the correct course of action.

When i play 1-2 games at most i find it difficult to put ppl ona range given the position they are in using the HUD.(in the specified time) And using the decues cracked tupac method to assess my equity against ones range. Multi street thinking troubles me as well. I only play 6 max and love shorter handed games even more. I have a hard time with implied odds and reverse implied odds. Or better yet, finding the EV for a set of strategies against an opponents. I feel like an idiot when i play. I need to change this thinking and fast.

When talking about implied odds, playing NL, I consider thw wall strategy to assure me getting the correct amount of bets. Should i think of it as in pot units? but each pot unit changes each street wth more betting. I dont know im confused. I dont know how to incorporate all my knowledge about poker on th etable.
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02-07-2009 , 08:16 AM
a lot deuces cracked stuff or even general strategy advice is intended for play at limits where ur against thinking opponents, or at least where ur opponents play a bit more sensibly than at 2NL.

i think you're trying to think far too hard for the level you are playing when you dont need to. no disrespect to u, but the majority of players at ur table will be god awful at poker. u need to stick to value betting good hands, and not bluffing. adjusting to the players is how u win at poker and thats what u need to do. its just in this case the adjustment is to play really straightforwardly
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02-07-2009 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by humandynasty
I started playing poker for the first time yesterday(well for $). I played 465 hands and im down 377 big blinds or -7.54 at the .01/.02 cent level. I know 465 hands is not a good sample and I know there is huge variance involved in poker. I lost about 90% of my bb on the river(sucked out on). I currently only have 15 buy ins. But this doesnt excuse my play.Nevermind the weak sample. What I am stressed about is my thought process. I hate it. My ability to think fast incorproating all the imporant parts in a hand is just horrible. There was so many times yesterday i lost time on a hand due to trying to find the correct course of action.
It will get a lot easier with practice.

When i play 1-2 games at most i find it difficult to put ppl ona range given the position they are in using the HUD.(in the specified time) And using the decues cracked tupac method to assess my equity against ones range. Multi street thinking troubles me as well. I only play 6 max and love shorter handed games even more. I have a hard time with implied odds and reverse implied odds. Or better yet, finding the EV for a set of strategies against an opponents. I feel like an idiot when i play. I need to change this thinking and fast.
Well poker is hard. There is nothing wrong with feeling like an idiot when you play especially on your second day. All that has happened is that you have realised that to play well is more difficult than a lot of people think. This is why it can be profitable.
So as someone who is realistic and focused on improving you now know you'll have to put some work in but that should cheer you up because you are going to gain skills and your opponents are not (generally)

When talking about implied odds, playing NL, I consider thw wall strategy to assure me getting the correct amount of bets. Should i think of it as in pot units? but each pot unit changes each street wth more betting. I dont know im confused. I dont know how to incorporate all my knowledge about poker on th etable.
I think of it as multiples of the price I am being charged or charging
Dunno, it sounds like you had a productive Day 1 to me. Shame about the cash but if you stick with poker you'll have worse days than that. You know what you have to work on, just don't try to learn the game all at once. Start with good hands (postflop) and make sure you get value for them from worse hands. You can beat 2NL very handily just doing this (imo)
GL
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02-07-2009 , 09:42 AM
thanks for the advice. Especially Sputum. Is there a mathematics of poker club in this forum? I cannot find it. I am just trying to avoid cognitive biases in my game. Fear, greed, hope, and despair. As well as some other more detailed irrationalities. I am not as concerned with making money as I am with making good decisions at the time. It will come with time. I just need to study and hit the books even more. my memorization skills need to develop and enhance. I limit myself to only 1 game since I really want a sound educational foundation for the game and to focus on each decision individually. As I get better, and faster, I will develop more tables. I am trying to think how to approach my best long term interests in poker.
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02-07-2009 , 09:58 AM
Don't worry about it my thought proccess is "terrible" too, like yesterday I called off an overbet with tripsnk even though I was never ever good I called just because I had trips ldo. And I am able to beat 50nl.

I like to think of it as my opponeants are complete droolers, so I think slightly better then them, even though I suck they suck worse.
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02-07-2009 , 01:46 PM
You have been given great advice here. You are way over thinking the game for the level you are playing. Tighten up preflop. If you are losing mostly on the river to suckouts then it is mainly variance. You just stated out on a bad run. I also wonder if your bet sizing is to small preflop and on the first two streets. You are likely putting too much value in TPTK type hands.

Don't over think what you are doing. Most all of the people you are playing are not thinking. Basic ABC poker is the best way to beat the micro stakes. When you have a big hand, value bet the hell out of it. You have many, many levels to move up before you start to come across players who are thinking. The videos you are watching will likely mess up your game at the level you are playing if you try to play like they do. Also, remember that the videos you are watching are of pros who have good hand reading abilities and have practiced their playing style for some time.
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02-07-2009 , 04:25 PM
post your stats im assuming u have poker tracker or whatever
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02-07-2009 , 06:00 PM
welcome to poker and 2+2

1 day, eh? take it easy and just try and player poker. 1 day is a molecule in a drop of water in teh ocean. just do what you can and try and not go broke and get better along the way and the results should follow. you arent alone in not being able to put bad players on hands...half the time they dont know what they have either ....but if you have a pair and you get raised bigtime on the turn or river then its your single pair may well be no good.

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post your stats im assuming u have poker tracker or whatever
actually this isnt a great idea, his sample size is too small, he'd be better off reading this thread and looking at how his stats (only really vpip and pfr will be close to converging) compared to what is in here. also he stats should be very variable as he goes through his rampup
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...thread-361070/
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