This will change depending on tons of factors but generally, how much do winrates usually decrease by when moving up? Say you can beat NL10 for 7BB/100, playing the exact same game what do you think this players winrate would be at NL25? Half? Something like 5BB/100?

It all depends on how well you adjust, and by how much you were beating the previous level. I haven't "crushed" any level, but my win rate has stayed the same through 5NL, 10NL and 25NL. I stumbled a little as I started each new level, but within a few thousand hands my win rate has always come back to the same point.

I think he said all. Maybe the first aproach is not the A game, cause there is always some "fear" and stuff , and probably we play few hands, but with some hands it will become to normal

a while ago i decided to have a crack at 5nl, failed miserably, but yesterday i have it another go, and my winrate was constant to what it has been for 2nl over the last 10days (i used to be rubbish before that lol.). but yeah, could be variance or what not, and it depends on too many factors.

i guess fear is the greatest, so that explains a lower winrate at first.

The simple answer is it should not change that much. Well, that's only if you were consistently beating the previous level. You should not worry too much about your win rate because your profit will be greater at the higher level.

its hard to say because as you move up your constantly getting better at the game
so a person could techincally have a higher winrate at 50nl then 25nl simply because he is much better at poker then when he played 25nl...

I said generally and if they moved up and played the EXACT same game as they did at the previous level.

To those saying it would stay the same, umm Im not sure about that. As you move up the levels start to get harder. People who can beat nl10 for 7BB/100 are not going to beat nl50 for 7BB/100.

u say u will play exact the same game on all limits...
i played nl10 moved to nl25 moved to nl50 and my thoughs on this one are:

you just will not play ur exact same game in the new limit. that said maybe its just small changes something like play more aggressiv from late position...

i noticed that i often advanced my game after moving up. Ur much more motivated to beat that new limit so u play better

an excample from nl10 vs nl25. in nl10 i could play pocked pair limp, and check flop and if i hit a set i could make a overbet on the river for hole stack and still i got called so often that it was a good play. that line in nl25 was not working often enough for me so i had to change my play for nl25.

i think its not like u can calculate ur winnrate from nl100 by ur winrate in nl10.
just my 2cents

Lol, not one person has mentioned anything about the competition. Your winrate (BB/100) is going to drop as you move up in levels because quite simply the % of skilled players AND their skill level will increase. You face more and better skilled players. The rate it changes cant be quantified because of too many variables.

You can't really project your winrate for a higher limit based on what you're doing at your current limit. As in, "I make 5bb/100 at 25NL, so at 50NL I should make about this, and so at NL100 I should hopefully be at about this..." Maybe for a couple superlow liits you can rough giess but that's about it.

It all depends on how you adjust to the games and players, which become increasingly aggressive while you move up. The strategy you applied at NL10 will eventually fail.

I'd just concentrate on the game, as opposed to planning out your wins ahead of time. Makes everything easier.

I have kind of a different question about moving up.

I know BRM is paramount, and having atleast 20 buyins is a given, but what if you get there too quickly?

Say you go from 20 buyins for 25NL ($500) to 20 buyins for 50NL ($1000), which you would be comfortable to take a shot with, but you only played 12,000 hands at 25NL.

Whats more important, having the number of buyins or the sample size?

BRM is the most important so the number of bi's. When you move up youll find out quick if your ready too within 10k hands or less. Set a stop loss of say 5-10 bi's and if you hit it then move back down. I would recommend setting a higher BI amount than 20 for moving up such as 25 or 30. With a 30 BI roll and a stop loss of 10 is a lot easier on the psyche than say a 20 BI roll with a stop loss of 5. Variance hits everyone and its common to drop 5 or more BI's in a session.

Yeah, think i'll wait to get to 30 BI's, dont know if i've had my fair share of variance yet! thanks for the advice

I love runn good, i should be down 20 today but im up 86 at nl 25, (pokerev all in expectation)

I wouldnt call that run good as much as I would call it play bad

lol yea i just moved from 10NL to 25NL and im running at +20ptbb right now rofl. its only been like 600 hands though.

but still its nice to move up and have a good run

meh, i was due. Two days ago i ran 5 buy ins below all in expectation

lol I took a shot at nl25 a week or so a go, lost 3 buyins in 18 hands, LOL. GREAT START!

This is why table selection is SO critical when moving up. A table with a 55% saw flop is going to be soft at 2nl or at 100NL. We don't like to admit it but we make most of our money at these tables with 2-3 fish who we have been able to beat since very nearly the beginning of our poker development.

if you move up to my table (nl25) your win rate goes to -10bb/100, im str8 killn heads, hollllllaaaaaaa

Bout tree-fiddy

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Hehe nice man