Tryin to learn to win at limit for jokes lol, but id just like to know some basic things like on the BB most of the time i feel priced in with ATC.

Then on the flop i feel priced in with any piece a lot of the time
then im still getin the right price on the turn.
Also priced in good amount with overs to the flop
And im gettin ridiculusly good prices with bluffcatchers

I just feel constantly priced in lol and im losing tiny amounts each time but its not winnin.

What about hand ranges should they be a lot tighter than NL? Just if i limp im never fold in to a raise and same with a raise lol so should i be raising only a very strong raise?

This is micro stakes btw

my hand sample is extremely small lol just thought id ask as i start

I know people give this answer often, but try reading the stickies in this forum:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/35...-stakes-limit/

All of the limit forums on here are excellent. You'll learn a lot.

I looked at that but i thought my question was a bit too beginery

Cmon adoyle. You've been here long enuf to think of search as more than just a four letter word. KingNYC linked the main limit forum

It took me 12 seconds to find the FAQ on that main page. Do I need to further find you more specific links?

Cmon man, you've been here too long to answer this thread with geez thanks for the help, but it didn't help!

im a bit confused? what am i searching for? lol

Oh ok yeah thanks il read the stickies i just thought you were try in move this thread

You should generally be much looser in limit than in no limit. Quite often you are totally correct, your draws will be priced in to call to the river and you often get good odds to call the river with a bluff catcher. The key to LHE is to also semi-bluff relentlessly if you are heads up post flop - you *need* to sometimes win with bluffs / semi-bluffs to be profitable at this game. Alternatively if the game is super loose you *need* to be betting / raising your draws on the flop for value. Calling down (i.e. loose-passive play) is a big losing strategy.

Just as an FYI, this thread was cross posted in micros LHE by the OP.

At lo-stakes limit, the biggest error most players make is calling too light. A lot of players will just never fold AK no matter how the board plays out, and no matter what villain is in the hand. I played a ton of lo-stakes limit in the $5 HORSE and 7-game tournaments at FT, and I found playing a tight style was very profitable. Against players who never fold, I wouldn't c-bet my 9-high type hands; against players who never bluff, I'd fold my A-high type hands; and against players who bluff religiously, I'd check flops with strong hands knowing I can get a check-raise in when the bet size doubles - if I check the flop, they will bet turn 100% of the time. Those check-raises get called because the players who bluff all the time usually are the same players who don't fold. My opening range included broadways, any pair, any suited ace or connector (down to 32s ) and not much else. I wouldn't defend light from the BB - I would never call a raise with T3o, say - since that just seemed to be printing money for my opponents. With drawing hands, I'd just do a straight pot odds calculation to decide whether to continue. In multiway pots, raising a drawing hand can be +EV provided it doesn't thin the field; heads up, unless a raise may succeed as a bluff, which it rarely will, raising will lose you money.


Playing in the $26 tournaments, where the calibre of player was much higher, that strategy wasn't as successful. Other players could adjust to tight and fairly straightforward play. There was also a ton more 3-betting preflop in position to deny chasers in the blinds the odds to chase with rags. At those stakes, I needed to semibluff more, check-raise bluff more (since lead bets don't look strong in limit but check-raises do), 3-bet light-ish to thin the field, etc. Those plays tended to work well because I have a pretty tight image at limit. I'm not sure I beat the game at those stakes though.


So, as with most things in poker, how to play best really depends on how your opponents play. But if you're calling raises to play 82o or J3o just because you seem to be getting a good price, you'll probably be losing a ton of money unless you're exceptionally good post-flop.

Opportunity knocks

Even if you are exceptionally good post flop, you'd almost never play these hands for a raise. There is a point in pot odds where you have to play any two, but that happens so rarely in an online game you could just always fold these and live with the rare, tiny mistake.

thanks a lot very helpful except wats a deny chaser?

deny = (verb) not allow / prevent
chasers = (noun, plural) people who are calling to hit their outs (eg, chasing a flush)

It's easy to see how you might think "deny chasers" is a noun in that sentence. But it's not.

oh **** denie lol i was reading it like denny lol

I think this depends, if we are IP and we check the flop we are giving villain a free card to the turn, which is not good

If we bet, and he calls we're getting 0.5BB
If we check and he bets the Turn and we Raise and he calls we are getting 1 extra BB on the Turn instead of 0.5BB on the flop which would be +0.5BB, but remember we're giving villain a free card, and unless we're having some hand that's not susceptible to beeing outdrawn we might set ourselves up to failure

If we have JT and the flop comes J83r we might be better off betting the flop rather than seeing a Q/K/A turn trying to get an extra 0.5BB by raising the Turn.

While checking back a A high flop, whilst holding Ax might induce a bluff from some aggresive player on the turn, and we are not so much concerned about overcards peeling on the turn so we can safely raise their turn bet.

And if he's bluffing the Turn/River after we bet, we're getting a 3rd bet in which is nice, and checking back the Turn is something we should never do because if he misses his draws he's probably not calling a bet nor raise which he would've called on the turn.

If we are OOP on the otherhand we might check/call the flop and check/raise the turn and bet the river as max value line, if you have good reads we might even check/raise the turn and check/raise the river because villain thinks we are bluffing

If we only ever check the flop and raise the Turn with our good hands we're becoming easily readable, if we check call check fold our bad hands on the turn and check call check/call our mediocre hands on the turn so I like a bet/raise bet/raise on the flop/turn more instead because we're beeing less readable

And we're denying him the opportunity to float us out of the pot because we're betting our bluffs/marginal hands/good hands the same, and if he's that aggresive he'll either fold or bet anyways and we can gain an additional bet with our good hands

Damn I need to finish

It has many intresting concepts

I agree, it depends on a lot of things, like most of poker.

I think there's a really big difference between low stakes and low/medium stakes, and I was talking about the cheapest HORSE tournaments at FT. At really low stakes I find there are a lot of bet-at-everything-never-fold-Ace-high-or-pocket-treys types of players. Those players aren't going to pick up on my betting patterns in the first place, so I won't adjust my play out of concern they might get a read on me. Against the better players at low stakes, and at higher stakes, I'd often take a different line. I also wouldn't check flop with a marginal hand like a pair of jacks - I was thinking more of top 2 pr hands, or sets.

thanks frostyice gp!

In LHE *nobody* checks behind on the flop heads up in a cash game except in very rare circumstances i.e. your opponent will call the flop with any two.