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08-05-2011 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
lol thanks, but i don't remember there being any challenge
Man, poker is a god damn challenge every freaggin day
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08-05-2011 , 07:39 PM
As promised. Here is NL5:

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You can clearly see the effects of increased aggression on the red line ...

PS: I apologize for saying I had 700k hands. In fact I have 688 965 hands. So roughly 12k to 700k at the moment...
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08-05-2011 , 07:50 PM


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Good news is my winnings is starting to match my EV. Winrate is slightly higher after todays session.

Bad news is i've had a really long day, dead tired, only managed 209 hands today
Falling asleep at the tables so i quit, played at 61.63 EVbb/100 today.
Really disappointed i couldn't play more hands this week. 15 sessions and only 6424 hands

Guys if i start my PCG can you suggest some goals?
1st goal, more hands ob.
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08-05-2011 , 08:01 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
Hero ($12.27)
BB ($10)
UTG ($4.91)
UTG+1 ($13.28)
CO ($3.68)
BTN ($8.71)

Dealt to Hero 4 4

UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.03, BB checks

FLOP ($0.20) 6 3 3

Hero checks, BB bets $0.11, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.11, Hero calls $0.11

TURN ($0.53) 6 3 3 2

Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

RIVER ($1.43) 6 3 3 2 4

Hero checks, BB bets $0.81, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $11.81 (AI), BB calls $8.73 (AI)

Hero shows 4 4
(Pre 53%, Flop 15.2%, Turn 11.4%)

BB shows 6 5
(Pre 47%, Flop 84.8%, Turn 88.6%)

Hero wins $19.49

UTG was the mark, complete calling station. I was trying these plays today and yesterday, the big overbet all in. Even tho my bluff range is 0.01% in this spot, fish think i'm bluffing 99% of the time. BEAUTIFUL =)

EDIT: i'll need a read to do this play

Last edited by RedGladiator; 08-05-2011 at 08:06 PM.
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08-05-2011 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ferdinand
As promised. Here is NL5:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/5nlg.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/807/nl5stats.jpg


You can clearly see the effects of increased aggression on the red line ...

PS: I apologize for saying I had 700k hands. In fact I have 688 965 hands. So roughly 12k to 700k at the moment...
Nice, what are you doing differently to boost your red line then?
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08-05-2011 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator


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Good news is my winnings is starting to match my EV. Winrate is slightly higher after todays session.

Bad news is i've had a really long day, dead tired, only managed 209 hands today
Falling asleep at the tables so i quit, played at 61.63 EVbb/100 today.
Really disappointed i couldn't play more hands this week. 15 sessions and only 6424 hands

Guys if i start my PCG can you suggest some goals?
1st goal, more hands ob.
You are crushing it ... WOW Congrats
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08-05-2011 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
Nice, what are you doing differently to boost your red line then?
The 3 major ones is defending my blinds a lot ligther against openers who fold a lot to 3 bets (regs I have good stats on basically), make bet turn/bet river with a range as polarized as possible (total air or the very big hands) as a lot of players will put you on bluff or want to see the last card cheap and then give up the river and finally push any piece of the flop against tigth postflop players.

Thats pretty much it ...
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08-05-2011 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ferdinand
You are crushing it ... WOW Congrats
Thanks. When you run good, you run good =)
Any ideas about setting goals then? If i do PG&C.

I still dunno, think i'll get flamed for sample size.
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08-05-2011 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
Thanks. When you run good, you run good =)
Any ideas about setting goals then? If i do PG&C.

I still dunno, think i'll get flamed for sample size.
I think something like getting to NL100 with a nice bankroll managment plan would be nice. If you are planning 6-max on stars would do it with 50 BI for each level ...
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08-05-2011 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
Hero ($12.27)
BB ($10)
UTG ($4.91)
UTG+1 ($13.28)
CO ($3.68)
BTN ($8.71)

Dealt to Hero 4 4

UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.03, BB checks

FLOP ($0.20) 6 3 3

Hero checks, BB bets $0.11, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.11, Hero calls $0.11

TURN ($0.53) 6 3 3 2

Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

RIVER ($1.43) 6 3 3 2 4

Hero checks, BB bets $0.81, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $11.81 (AI), BB calls $8.73 (AI)

Hero shows 4 4
(Pre 53%, Flop 15.2%, Turn 11.4%)

BB shows 6 5
(Pre 47%, Flop 84.8%, Turn 88.6%)

Hero wins $19.49

UTG was the mark, complete calling station. I was trying these plays today and yesterday, the big overbet all in. Even tho my bluff range is 0.01% in this spot, fish think i'm bluffing 99% of the time. BEAUTIFUL =)

EDIT: i'll need a read to do this play
These are the type of hands that kill our win rate at NL10 and above for a simple reason: they pratically cease to occur
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08-05-2011 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ferdinand
I think something like getting to NL100 with a nice bankroll managment plan would be nice. If you are planning 6-max on stars would do it with 50 BI for each level ...
i'm on stars. i might look else where (for rakeback) after the 1st deposit bonus expires on 25th oct.

I heard there's more fishys at other sites too.

NL100, seems like a distant dream
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08-05-2011 , 09:42 PM
Sometimes I 4-table at Bodog. It was completely dead pre black friday but now there a lot more games and super super fishy. NL25 at Bodog plays like NL5 on stars
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08-07-2011 , 06:15 PM


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I think table selecting is helping kinda, last 3 sessions since i've started table selecting have been awesome. Sorry about this week, happy my winrate is still going up but dissappointed with how many hands i've managed.
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08-07-2011 , 06:59 PM
Wow those graphs never cease to amaze me

Are you ever losing a hand
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08-07-2011 , 08:04 PM
Hey frostyice, what do you think, shall i keep bumping this thread with graphs?
I still think it would be interesting for BQers to follow my heater?

I've been thinking alot about PG&C but ultimately i think i'll get flamed for sample size.
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08-08-2011 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
Hey frostyice, what do you think, shall i keep bumping this thread with graphs?
I still think it would be interesting for BQers to follow my heater?

I've been thinking alot about PG&C but ultimately i think i'll get flamed for sample size.
do it bro
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08-08-2011 , 04:41 PM
Yeah there's a lot of intrest here + people complaining about sample size are not going to stop complaining anyways :P

It's good to see someone crushing 5NL but boy wow it looks like you never get any coolers
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08-08-2011 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
Hey frostyice, what do you think, shall i keep bumping this thread with graphs?
I still think it would be interesting for BQers to follow my heater?

I've been thinking alot about PG&C but ultimately i think i'll get flamed for sample size.
Yes please do so as I am eager to watch your progress too.

I am personally impressed with your non showdown winnings as I am having trouble with mine although its gone from free fall to flat(ish) after recent work on my game (more folds or bets/raises and lots less calls I THINK is the cause) but I digress...

Nice one Red but pull your finger out and get some hands played
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08-08-2011 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
Hey frostyice, what do you think, shall i keep bumping this thread with graphs?
I still think it would be interesting for BQers to follow my heater?

I've been thinking alot about PG&C but ultimately i think i'll get flamed for sample size.
RG, You already know my views on creating your own thread. Already mentioned multiple times I'd sub to it. It doesn't matter if you don't play 10k hands a night.

It's quality I want to see, not quantity.

The hands will come over time, and we'll be able to watch your progress over time and it'll show a history that people can look back on like 6 months from now or more.
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08-08-2011 , 07:28 PM


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Well it appears my winning streak has finally come to an end



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Winrate dropped

FULL SESSION review tomorrow. Graph is looking UGLY. I can't bear to post it tonight.

Confidence shattered

Will take day off poker tomorrow, just session reviews, watch a few DC vids.
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08-08-2011 , 07:29 PM
I play micros. I have to say that beyond any single concept or thread or post that you can read here on 2p2, the best thing you can possibly do is simply read HEM stats and use these to your advantage.

Basic tips:

If someone folds to flop bet 75%+. Cbet them every time on every flop.

If someone folds to flop bet 25%-. Vbet them on flops. Don't cbet.

Every HEM stat can be useful like this.
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08-08-2011 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
Well it appears my winning streak has finally come to an end
It looks like you played over double the amount of hands you've averaged up to that point in time. I'm wondering if your push to play more hands (as you keep mentioning you want to get more hands in) is having a negative effect on your winrate.

Again, I'd not stress over trying to get in more hands than you can comfortably handle. Just looks like... at a glance, your Average number of hands per session before this was like 400ish.. and this session it's over 1000...

I remember when I had a problem at one time a year or two ago, pushing player points and thus playing more tables than I should have, and it had the same effect.

I mean, you know, a losing session is going to happen... so it may not be related, but .. all of a sudden your number of hands jump up and you have this drop at the same time, just saying it COULD be related.

Hope you don't let it get you down.
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08-08-2011 , 10:18 PM
I don't think I have problems playing longer sessions. I simply had free time today. I was going to play longer but tilt got the better of me. I actually started the session very well.
One thing I've learnt from that session is I am clueless against short stacks.
I think I'm -ev against them, something I'll need to adress.
Think there's a COTW on that, I'll need to look it up.

^i think you were right about number of tables. I get lost when 5 tabling and there's action on them all at the same time.

Anyway lot's to learn

CHALLENGE: 10k hands

I'll be accessing after that whether or not to move to 10NL as I'm rolled for it now.

Oh I've been reading about girah's scam, WOW, just WOW. What a scumbag. Way to ruin your life. Call me an idiot but I do kinda feel sorry for him.
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08-09-2011 , 07:03 PM


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Ok guys, i think i worked out what i was doing wrong yesterday and 'corrected' it.
Wasn't a bad run of cards, i actually had a good start, had a few coolers then TILTed off the rest playing badly chasing loses. Don't wanna bore you with the details but i deviated from my 'game plan'. Learned a lot from it tho.


^^Anyway my latest session, played 3 tables today, going back to basics
and nitted it up playing 16/12 just to get back to winning and rebuild confidence. Overall i'm happy with the way i played.

BTW thanks for the support guys
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08-09-2011 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator


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Ok guys, i think i worked out what i was doing wrong yesterday and 'corrected' it.
Wasn't a bad run of cards, i actually had a good start, had a few coolers then TILTed off the rest playing badly chasing loses. Don't wanna bore you with the details but i deviated from my 'game plan'. Learned a lot from it tho.


^^Anyway my latest session, played 3 tables today, going back to basics
and nitted it up playing 16/12 just to get back to winning and rebuild confidence. Overall i'm happy with the way i played.

BTW thanks for the support guys
Please stop being so results orientated. Having just come out of an 8k break even stretch at 5nl, I wouldn't worry. It's all about volume, and ensuring that you stick to good BRM. Once you have 25k hands, not 400 or something that people can easily grind in an hour, post the results and take it from there. Downswings and variance will undoubtedly happen, but put in the volume and you'll come out on the other side.
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