struggling to know how to get out of situations like below, should i have been able to? Was in a 45 man turbo sng on pokerstars

CO: 118.97 BB
BTN: 46.5 BB
SB: 57.1 BB
BB: 39.53 BB
Hero (UTG): 51.77 BB
UTG+1: 26.23 BB
MP: 47.2 BB
MP+1: 62.7 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has Kd Kc
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (13.57 BB, 4 players) 7c Tc 5d
BB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, fold, BTN calls 8 BB, fold

Turn : (29.57 BB, 2 players) Jh
Hero bets 16 BB, BTN raises to 35.37 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 19.37 BB

River : (100.3 BB, 2 players) 8d

Hero shows Kd Kc (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 80%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)

BTN shows 7h 7d (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)

BTN wins 100.3 BB

What did you think the BTN had that he raised your turn bet with?

thought he initially was floating the flop with 2 overcards and the the turn gutshot drawing i.e AQ AK trouble it was quite early in the tournament and there was already a considerable amount in the pot, maybe i just didnt think it through enough

No way am I folding this for 20 bb more.

I didn't say he should fold, I asked what his thinking was. Leaving only 20bb behind is a different issue that speaks to planning the hand from the beginning.

Planning that kind of hand is extremely difficult though. 3 cold callers and a semi connected flop, certainly not ideal.

As played, it's probably a turn shove for a little over pot?

can't really get away from this in a donkament, you have too much of a hand and too small relative stacks. well played.

if you are typically getting three callers when raising for value, maybe you can raise a bit more pre

I think there's room to raise slightly more pre given the ante and we're still relatively deep, but really that's probably arguing over 1/2bb. Flop I play faster since we're 4 ways and then rip turn.

Not really a big deal though. Don't think you can reasonably get away here. Not that it should matter, but it's generally more irritating when they show up with J5o.

I'm maybe raising a little more on the flop (maybe to 10) and that sets up a little bit better turn shove if that's what I decide to do. As played, I'm either shoving the turn or checking depending on my read.



If OP is playing in games where people frequently call/raise his turn bet on a draw (his read) at these stack sizes then he should keep doing what he's doing and this one is just the cost of doing business.

Yes, but that would totally go against the population read that says bad players err on the side of passivity in those spots.

A somewhat competent player will know that they have very close to 0% fold equity here. Hero has shown tons of strength and gets 4:1 on a call. That's usually not a situation where you can expect a fold.

Raising bigger pre is an absolute disaster. We should raise smaller pre in this hand. Please don't give advice if you don't have some basic understanding of the spot you're talking about.

Post is tough, not really sure about it. I might be inclined to range check this flop but betting KcKx seems reasonable. Turn sizing seems wrong and gets us in this super awkward spot. I think block, check, or jam are all probably better options than this.

As played this is probably actually a sigh fold but I can't blame you for calling. Readless field probably has almost 0 bluffs here though.

itt we learn that getting more money into the pot with kings is a bad idea that needs to be avoided

If you've been around since 2005 and don't know that in mtts we shouldn't be opening >3x 50bb effective in an mtt, this game just isn't for you mate.

Just a little tip regarding your thought process here - it seems that you put him on a range that you wanted him to have rather than a more realistic one.

He just called pre-flop so AK, AQ are pretty unlikely. Even if he has those hands they often fold on the flop.

Given the fact that he just called multiway from BTN he will have a lot of hands that hit this flop - sets, JT, other Tx, 89 and other straight draws, flush draws.

Those hands are the majority of his range, things like AK, AQ will very rarely be there.

I'd check the turn. The J is a terrible card for your range and pretty much nails villain's range, so there's nothing wrong with playing pot control.

You can call a reasonably sized bet (villain will often bet with a T here) and re-evaluate OTR.

The river becomes an easy check-fold with a possible 1 card straight on the board

Also, don't post results. We don't need to know what your opponent had to make good suggestions.

Remember than KK is just one pair and tends to lose equity as the board runs out.

There's a little over pot left on the turn and hero is OOP.

Now we can obviously make assumptions like "if we check, villain will bet very small here and we can reevaluate river" but we have no idea hoe likely that scenario is.

FWIW, I think checking turn is better than betting a little over half pot which basically commits us anyway unless we think we almost never face a draw. In theory, checking might even be better than blocking, even though the latter will probably work better assuming a passive player pool based on preflop action.