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How can you play for a year and a half and STILL be losing at the micros? How can you play for a year and a half and STILL be losing at the micros?

11-04-2021 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by WretchedLife
This honestly does not make any ****ing sense. I go through the charts, the theories, the strategies, concepts, Jonathan Little, and read about the micros specifically, have a HUD, review hands, play exploitable, put in volume yet I STILL fail. Almost every cash game session ends up losing, sometimes very badly. I've never won a tournament apart from ONE freeroll last year. I haven't made a final table in almost a year, and my "biggest" ever cash is $18. I try to use the excuse that I'm playing the micros therefore the fields are huge but there's only so far that can go. This makes no sense. Every time I have a good hand nothing materialises. When something does materialise I'm still beat. I genuinely feel boiling rage at how bad I am after all my effort. I get so pissed off that I lose then literally have to go watch Malcolm In The Middle to calm down. I've blown through two series in two weeks! What more can I do to try and get better, and how can someone try to hard and still be a bigger and more pathetic loser than Paisting (I've not lost more money but given I've probably put more time into studying etc than him it's probably worse relatively speaking)? I honestly feel like someone who's spent the last year learning Spanish yet can't even say "Hello, My name is...". It's a ****ing joke and I'm ashamed to be me. The fact I want to be a pro is both hideous and embarrassing. I know "It takes time" but that excuse has long run dry.

So if we were talking about 10/20 No Limit I would say that your problem is simply that you are unable to aquire the skills to be a winning player. But because we are talking about micros; I'm going to go out on a limb and state that you are unwilling not unable to aquire and implement the skills to be a winning player.

Any person of average intelligence and 8th grade math skills can be a winning player at micro online/low live games. The barrier is that few people have "it". It being Discipline. Everyone knows or should know the overall formula for beating the small games you are playing - play tight, value bet, don't slow play, don't bluff, don't limp, raise or fold from the SB, etc. You haven't shown the Discipline to adhere to this strategy. I don't even know you; but after a year and a half I'm confident that I'm right about this.

Here's why you play micros/low live - to learn and apply the Fundamentals of the game. That's it. The most fundamental of all skills is... Discipline. Too many people can't wait to install the roof on a house; blindly ignoring that they haven't raised the walls or even poured the slab for the foundation!

The aforementioned strategy isn't even the optimal approach to beating low limit games. It's the starting line. Take don't bluff for example. Other fundamental skills you should be developing are - observing your opponents (especially their frequencies), analyzing the data, developing the correct exploit, identifying situations to apply the tactic, and then executing.So... Villain folds to cbets at a frequency of 80%. What does GTO say about the correct frequency that V should be calling at? Who gives a f?! Studying GTO is one of the walls. It's painfully obvious that he's way off of optimal. You should be cbetting at 100% frequency. A different Villain calls cbets at a frequency of 80%. Don't bluff! The point is that if you don't learn the fundamentals; your game can't grow. Later on you gain the skills that recognize that there are situations when limping or completing from SB is the highest EV action. But you have to lay the foundation first.

The "optimal" strategy at low limit would bankrupt you in a high stakes game. However If you don't have the discipline to formulate and execute an optimal strategy against specific opponents at the lowest stakes; you'll never advance to higher stakes (where they respect my raises! lol).

PS. Stick to one format, cash or tournament.
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11-04-2021 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Big Stack
Everyone knows or should know the overall formula for beating the small games you are playing - play tight, value bet, don't slow play, don't bluff, don't limp, raise or fold from the SB, etc.
Have you tried this?
Are you actually beating small stakes games over a significant sample?
These statements make me seriously doubt that.
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11-04-2021 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeodan
Have you tried this?
Are you actually beating small stakes games over a significant sample?
These statements make me seriously doubt that.
I relied on Poker as my only source of income for about a year and a half playing home games in Georgia. Eventually the state stepped in and the games were... closed. The girlfriend refused to move to South Florida where I'm from. I chose the girlfriend over poker as my job.


2. Have I tried this? What exactly did I write that gives you serious doubt? Playing tight, value betting hard, rarely bluff, don't slow play... these aren't the things you would tell a beginner playing 2NL? 5NL? 10NL? Live 1/2 or 1/3?
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11-05-2021 , 04:08 AM
If you are seriously looking to succeed in Poker and the things that you have tried did not work out then I suggest you a coach that can show you the right path.
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11-05-2021 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Big Stack
I relied on Poker as my only source of income for about a year and a half playing home games in Georgia. Eventually the state stepped in and the games were... closed. The girlfriend refused to move to South Florida where I'm from. I chose the girlfriend over poker as my job.


2. Have I tried this? What exactly did I write that gives you serious doubt? Playing tight, value betting hard, rarely bluff, don't slow play... these aren't the things you would tell a beginner playing 2NL? 5NL? 10NL? Live 1/2 or 1/3?
I can see how that might work in live games with very bad players and big player pools.

Can't imagine winning online even at 2NL without bluffing though. But maybe I'm wrong.

Just playing straightforward poker doesn't work anymore, at least not the games I'm playing in.
Though it's a good place to start, you'll need to move beyond what you're suggesting to become a winning player imo.
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11-06-2021 , 06:16 PM
Disagree, I play pretty straightforward in live games ($2/$3 $500 buy in) and beat it convincingly, while not lol crushing. The game is juicy enough you can just use simple exploits. Villain stickiness tends to make bluffing unprofitable.

Like say there were two limpers ahead and I was in CO with KQs, I make it $21, UTG calls, pot is $50. Flop is A83 rainbow no BFD, x, then I'll bet small there and expect to take it down quite often.

Or like I'm getting 3bet a lot out of the blinds by a guy who I know has a fold button and can see I'm a huge nit and we're both fairly deep. This is a good spot to raise all the suited aces and suited connectors and then 4bet.

So I don't really call these bluffs, if you do, then yeah you probably need to bluff to beat the game.
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11-18-2021 , 07:49 AM
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I chose the girlfriend over poker as my job
idioto. i would never chose the girlfriend over cards.
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11-18-2021 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by IwantAllIHave
idioto. i would never chose the girlfriend over cards.
LOL. I agree that it was a -EV decision. The girlfriend is no longer the girlfriend.
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