Still can't grasp this idea.
The other person does not know your cards.
So how can you say "only better hands will call"?
That's like saying "Only buy stocks that go up"
You simply don't know that.

If there is a flush draw on the board, many experts will donk bet, and rep the flush. So, some people will gladly call and catch you. Bluff catcher?

You're talking as if NO ONE ever calls with 2nd best possible hand. That's simply not true at all. If that were true, EVERYONE would donk bet with any A on the board, every time, since everyone will fold anything less.

I am simply unable to fathom how this mindreading assumption works.

Hero = QJh
Flop = As Qs Ks

You're saying that NO ONE with Ax would call a bet here? B/c they will never call with 2nd best hand? IF so, then I should bet every time here, right ? Rep the flush? Well, if that's the case, then everyone with Ax knows you're donking, and will start calling your bluff with 2nd best hand.

Full circle?

I don't know if OP is trolling or if he really can't realize the concept of taking guesses while playing a non-complete information type of game.

OP is completely missing the point, focusing too literally on the word *only*.

Betting for thin value tends to skew your opponents' calling range towards hands that beats you.

OP's examples look more to me like bet-fold situations, where villain's range will have him raising a lot of his stronger hands. Apples and oranges.

A better example of the "worse hands *rarely* call would be something like this:

You have A8s and raise pre, then cbet a flop of K-7-4r and get called. Turn pairs your 8 and both check.

River is a Q. What worse hand than your 3rd pair now calls a bet OTR? Since you now have some SDV, it's probably better to check and keep villain's bluffs in his betting range

I am not a psychic, but I can make assumptions based on playing poker for several years, and by seeing what people show up with on the river in 3-bet pots.
If I'm in a 3-bet pot and the board is AQxxA, and I get raised on the river, my opponent almost always has an ace for trips, or he has a boat or quads. The reason I make this assumption is partly from experience, and partly from logic.

If someone (i.e. you) is betting the river on AQxxA in a 3-bet pot, you're representing that you have AK/AJ or better. Ergo, it would be stupid for me to raise as a bluff, because you'll snap it off when you have AK. Hence, I would only raise with hands that can beat AK so that I can win a big pot when my raise gets called.

As Kurn said: You shouldn't be bluffing much at all in the micros, least of all on the river. The way to beat the microstakes (like the nits do) is to play quite straightforwardly. Bet and raise when you have the best hand and villain will call with worse, check and call when you're unsure or are in the middle of your range, or when you're up against an aggrofish that will spew off all his chips needlessly, check and fold when you're at the bottom of your range. No one makes money in the micros by making senseless bluffs with middle pair.

If you keep playing huge pots with weak hands, you're just valueowning/value-cutting yourself and giving all your money to the nits.

To help with your question, I looked back through the earlier posts of legionrainfall. Seems he asked about the same concepts back in 2016.

Typical is the "I limp too much. I'm going to only play aggro from now on" BS he's espousing now.

In my mind as a moderator here in BQ, OP is skating on thin ice.

Thanks for the example. Let me try to work through it. This is VERY confusing to me.

If my flop Cbet gets called, the caller probably has a K. So, now you basically have to stop betting. Hand is over. Villain takes down the pot after my check/fold on Turn. So, yea, I agree that betting after getting called is stupid. Probably won't call without the K at .01/.02 ?

If he checks turn after the K, that may be a tell that he's got the K. Most at .01/.02 slow plays their hand. Limp with AA, etc. Rare to see value bets, they only check/raise.

Since I checked the turn, that means I probably don't have K. But, you're saying unlikely V has a Q since he would probably not have called the flop Cbet without a K ?

What is the general theme here? If a later card comes out that is worse (Q) than something that V called with earlier (K) than "better hands will call" river and worse hands will fold ? In the above case, little chance V has the Q, b/c of prior betting, so betting from the Q makes no sense, since V probably doesn't have Q, he probably has K. So, check/fold ?

Lighten up, Francis. Lording your mod powers over people reflects poorly on you. I surely hope you have a fulfilling life outside of this forum. I've made a HUGE leap forward by eliminating limping. This puts me ahead of 99% of poker players. Nothing is perfect, and I may have over-corrected. Now, I just need to fold hands when called and play nitty after my Cbetting. If I can do that, I might be able to break even at .01/.02 which is my entire goal in poker.

TIL that not limping puts you in the top 1% of poker players. I guess all the books and training programs out there are a waste. All you have to do is not limp!

.0000000000000001% of players know you can discuss hands in a forum
Get out of your little bubble.
99% of poker players have no idea what "OTB" or "C-bet" means

Another thinly disguised troll thread by OP.

So you're trying to tell me that when I enter a tournament with 300 people, on average only 3 of them will know that you shouldn't limp, and will understand terms like OTB and C-bet? You're either trolling or you're insane lmao.

BTW if you wanna do an over / under on that I'd happily bet my life savings. Cheers.

This isn't 2006 anymore. :[

Tournament is non-random sample.
Go to local boys card basement game and you'll see the 99%

OP if you want an example of "only getting called by better hands" then your flop bet is exactly that.

You call a 4 bet, villain is telling you he has a strong range (JJ+, AK+, maybe AQ) and on this flop every single one of those hands is beating you, yet you bet? Without being rude, until you understand why betting is bad, you will never beat even 2nl.

Ask yourself what are you trying to achieve by betting here and when you have the answer then you may be able to look at hands differently.

If anyone needs cliff notes of this thread:
- OP thinks that >99.99999999% of poker players don’t even know the basics
- OP loses money on the lowest stakes, against the worst of those 99.99999999%

Heavy betting PF

I have TT
Flop is QAA.

I was going for fold equity.
Trying to rep having an AQ, AA, etc.
Someone with only AK,AJ,JJ,KK should fold to my boat, and I take the pot.

Most people on the entire planet have not even heard of online poker

Why in the world will AK fold? Are you folding AK in that spot?

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OK, now you're definitely trolling, nobody in their right mind bets out with those hands on that board

Yeh I’m done with this guy.

Is that why you bet again on the turn after the K came, to try to get AK and KK to fold?

Is that also why you bet again on the river after the J came, to get AJ and JJ to fold?

Seriously dude, you fired three half pot sized bets into a guy who's most likely hands are all full houses or quads. How do you not understand why this was a terrible play?

LRF,

It's okay to rep the Ace or Queen on AAQ flop. But do so with a bluffing hand, not with TT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYh3GrvDowU

because every time were in a hand that you open, i know what you have.

Ok, so 19 is a good VPIP.
But since he rarely does PFR, when he does PFR its probably like KK, AA, AK ?
But doesn't this disguise his strength when he simply calls?
In those cases he might have QQ