How does this work? Where can I learn about this?
How do you know you won't be called by a weaker hand?


Hero = KK

Flop = AK5

Everyone says "you will never be called by weaker hand. Stupid to bet"
Why? Who says AK won't call?

Not sure who uses the 'Only get called by better' line with second set on an ace high board. I would be 100% playing this hand for value (either betting out, or trying to trap)

Well there are only 3 combinations of AK.

But no one would say it's stupid to bet because you will never get called by weaker hands in this situation.

Nobody in their right mind says that. This thread has to be a troll. Please don't do that in BQ.

OP has been told that on specific hands.

Let's take an extreme example: Say you're on the river. The board has 4 cards to a flush 3 to a straight and is paired.
There's been a reasonable amount of betting on every street, two other players are still left besides you and you have ended up on the river having made your straight.

Are going to bet this if you're first to act? Probably not.

Weaker hands:
No one with 2 pair or less is going to call you on this board betting into two people
Highly likely no one with trips is going to call unless you/they're extremely shortstacked or you have a maniac image

Stronger hands:
Only someone with a flush, a full house/quads is going to call (the latter likely raising you)


So as always it's part board texture, part how many are still in the pot, what kind of action there was, what your position is, how large their/your stacks are (particularly in a tournament situation), what your image is, what type of players they are and how many weaker to how many stronger hands there even are possible.

One of the examples from another thread was when you have QJo on AQxxA in a 3-bet pot, where you bet the river and villain raised. He raised because he had AQ (a boat). For some reason, you 3-bet shoved on him when you have 2nd pair. Villain is never folding trips or better in that spot, and he's never calling with worse than QJ. Ergo, it was a terrible shove, since it's neither a value-raise that gets called by worse, or a bluff that would ever make a better hand fold. It was a bet without purpose.

Ok, so it's river.
Board has strong flush potential, and also straight possibility.
Hero has straight.

If hero bets, people will assume made flush or straight.
Or they can assume aggro bluff.

I would totally call that bet with a pair, since everyone is agggro bluffing.

This statement confuses me.
You're not a psychic, and can't assume he has boat, or trips, or anything.
He might have raised with QT or worse. He could have raised with 23 for all you know
If he had QT, you have no idea if he would have called my shove.
Plus, if he had nothing, he would have folded to my shove
Fold equity is huge advantage!

This is why you lose.

If there's already been a lot of action and he's betting into two people? No.

Look at it from his point of view. What's the chance that no one has anything in such a situation with lots of action until this point? Not likely. What's the chance he gets called by someone? Quite high. Trying a bluff in this spot is just massively -EV.
It might work once in a blue moon but a lot more often you're just donating chips.
You calling with QT or worse in a 3-bet pot? No? Neither is he (unless you identified him as a maniac or you're playing super deep). So even if he called with QT pre he knows you don't have anything worse. So he's not raising/calling with such a garbage hand.

No wonder you are a losing player. (your statements on being a losing player are littered throughout the BQ forum).

If you chose to fold EVERY time you think this is true ("everyone is aggro bluffing").... you might actually show a winrate.

Sure, he can call with QT thinking I have Q9.
You simply can't assume what they other player has.
No one KNOWS anything!

I am seeing .01/.02 is opposite world

Players limp w/ AA
CHECK means Nuts
So insane at this level!

I am now checking turn to any calls on my missed Cbet flop
Now losing pots that I would have double barreled and won yesterday

However folding to all bets and raises will help me not constantly get stacked.
Instead, slow bleed

Put the brakes on Cbet calls is saving me
See how top pair just checks all the way down?
CHECK = NUTS
If ANYONE Calls my cbet, I am done with the hand.
check/fold

Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 204 BB
BTN: 100.5 BB
SB: 101.5 BB
BB: 210.5 BB
Hero (UTG): 143 BB
UTG+1: 96.5 BB
MP: 132.5 BB
MP+1: 199.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

Hero raises to 3 BB, UTG+1 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (13 BB, 4 players) 2 8 T
SB checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.5 BB, fold

Turn: (26 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (26 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN checks

BTN shows T J (Two Pair, Tens and Twos)
(Pre 27%, Flop 84%, Turn 93%)
Hero shows K J (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 73%, Flop 16%, Turn 7%)
BTN wins 25 BB

Another example of CHECK...CHECK......
CHECK means they have a made hand.
He thinks I am slow playing my A !!


Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 107 BB
MP: 221.5 BB
MP+1: 113 BB
MP+2: 95 BB
CO: 207.5 BB
Hero (BTN): 135.5 BB
SB: 107 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 201.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 2 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) K Q 5
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 3.5 BB, MP+1 calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 8
MP+1 checks, Hero checks

River: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 6
MP+1 checks, Hero checks

MP+1 shows A Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks 7 7 (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
MP+1 wins 14 BB

You call 3bet preflop with Q9?

The chance you are in this spot with Q9 are 0.0001% from villain's point of view (and it's only greater than zero because there's a chance you may have misread your cards).
Anyone banking chips on that off chance is downright insane.

Who said anything about 3-bet preflop?

Arty's example which you quoted originally?

+1

One typical beginners' misconception of poker is thinking opponents bluff way more than they do in reality.

Out of curiosity, how do you choose your actions? Do you close your eyes before clicking a random button or do you use someting like a dice to decide wether to bet, call or fold? Something like "lets roll a dice and if it lands on 1 or 2 I'm going to raise here".

This is the problem. Fold equity has nothing to do with this concept. Yes, there is always fold equity, and it is great if you are bluffing. That is exactly what you want when you are bluffing.

"Only getting called by better hands" has to do with value betting a hand with showdown value in a situation where you are probably ahead - but that only a brain-dead person would call with a worse hand, and no better hand would fold. If no better hand will fold, then there is no fold equity. If no worse hand will call, there is no value.

Yes, you might get someone to fold, but that is someone you were ahead of anyway. Who cares if they fold? You get as much money as if you didn't bet. But by betting a hand in this type of situation you are turning your good hand into a bluff, and opening it up for your opponent to raise you off your hand.

It is only true in certain situations. Recognizing those situations, and thinking about it before you fire will give you a chance to avoid losing your whole stack.

It seems like what you like to do is post questions on here, and when people respond you tell them that they are wrong. Some people on here have actually won money at poker, and according to your posts, you have always lost money at poker. I wonder what lesson one might learn from that.

This was madness.
Closed the session after this stupidity

Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 250.5 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 86.5 BB
BTN: 140.5 BB
SB: 184 BB
Hero (BB): 81.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, CO raises to 12.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (25.5 BB, 2 players) Q A A
Hero bets 12.5 BB, CO calls 12.5 BB

Turn: (50.5 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 25 BB, CO calls 25 BB

River: (100.5 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 31.5 BB and is all-in, CO calls 31.5 BB

CO shows K A (Full House, Aces full of Kings)
(Pre 43%, Flop 89%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows T T (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 57%, Flop 11%, Turn 2%)
CO wins 155.5 BB

Thanks for all the tips today.
I did a LOT better today.
Got stacked 6 times yesterday.
Did not get stacked once today!

Well, if he was a psychic he wouldn't need to assume anything since he would know exactly what villain has.
But if you're not a psychic and want to play poker nonetheless, you'll have to take risks and make some assumptions.
So when people say "only get called by better hands" what they mean is "I assume you'll only get called by better hands".