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Handling the preflop cap in Limit Hold-em Handling the preflop cap in Limit Hold-em

10-03-2008 , 03:56 AM
Online 3-6 limit hold-em game. You hold KhKs in the cutoff. 2off open raises and you re-raise. Blinds fold and 2off caps it. Flop comes Qh3d2s. 2off bets.

Do you call or raise? I called because I figured his cap preflop was most likely a big pocket pair. If he had AA or QQ he was ahead of me and there was only one other KK available.

I didn't fold as there were a few other hands he could have for his action.

Turn came Jh. Now if I didn't raise on the flop, it just got scarier so I just called his bet.

River came 7c. I called his bet and he turned over 77 for trips!

Given that he had the (guts, recklessness) to cap preflop with 77, would a raise on the flop or turn have shaken him?
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10-03-2008 , 04:37 AM
impossible to say if he woulda folded... live players are pretty shaky.

But that is definately a raise on the flop.
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10-03-2008 , 07:09 AM
Capping 77 PF isn't a huge mistake, particularly if he has a read that he has an edge on you postflop (which he clearly does). You can't put people on that tight of a range capping PF, and you can't have that tight of a range for your PF caps. It's too easy to read, and your opponents will pick up on it.

88+, AJs+, AKo, KQs are all hands that I would consider capping PF. Against players that I know I have an edge on postflop, I would also consider capping hands such as T9s, JTs, etc. that I can get away from quickly if I miss the flop.
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10-03-2008 , 08:45 AM
Why are you playing 3/6?

Not trying to be mean, but lower stakes would be more appropriate to your skill level. Much cheaper to learn at the micros.
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10-03-2008 , 09:05 AM
raise the flop and keep on betting if he keeps on checking. try and not be afraid of the virtual nuts. the reality here is that whilst your opponents bravado was probably too much and he overplayed his hand, you underplayed yours and over the long run when you play this way you will cost yourself money even when he doesnt spike the river.

gotta say that i agree with other posters...this is a pretty easy flop spot and it might be wise to drop down a few limits and work on the fundamentals. get SSHE. you can also come over to MicroStakeLimit and post and reply to hands there. Beginners is mostly Limit and if you are playing limit you should post in exclusive limit forums.

cheers

ozi microstakeslimitmod

btw he puts you on AK.
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10-03-2008 , 02:29 PM
Someone (smarter than me), somewhere (here on 2+2), once said the following:

"Always raise the flop (instead of waiting until the turn) because raising the flop will make the rest of the hand easier to play.

I think this is a classic example.

To answer your question, yes, i think he would have slowed down, especially on thet turn because 1) two over cards are now on the board, and 2) your flop raise over his PF cap represents KK or AA.

Not only would he have slowed down on the turn, he might very well have folded.

Lastly, don't fall into the ROT trap. Even as played, your train of thought was that you were wa/wb and you were right. He just got lucky hitting his 2 outer.
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10-03-2008 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by runout_mick
Why are you playing 3/6?

Not trying to be mean, but lower stakes would be more appropriate to your skill level. Much cheaper to learn at the micros.
This.

This seems like a pretty basic problem to me.

First, what is his capping range?

Second, how many of those things are you ahead of and how many are you behind?

1. His capping range: Okay, no read on villain. Why not? But you can give him a capping range of AA-JJ/AK probably.

2. AA: 6 combos

AK: 8 combos

KK: 1 combo for a chop

QQ: 3 combos

JJ: 6 combos

So you're trailing 9 combos, ahead of 14, and chopping with 1. You can probably discount AK/JJ slightly so you're essentially about even with his range. It's HU. You're in position, so just play WA/WB and bet if he checks; call if he bets.

If you can expand his range beyond AA-JJ/AK, say, by adding AQ/TT etc, then raise the flop. You're no longer equally likely to be WA and WB. You're probably WA.

Also, who cares about shaking him? If he's capping pf with 77 and you have an overpair to the board, you want to bet for value. You have his range crushed.

nh imo; next time you have a better idea of his range.
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10-03-2008 , 03:36 PM
since you were last to act you can just call all the way down and pick your spot to raise if he shows weakness.
dont play results poker.
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10-03-2008 , 04:30 PM
Thanks Ray and everyone else. And for those of you who think I should drop down a few levels, I occasionally play 20/40 live. All you gotta do is find me!
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10-03-2008 , 04:36 PM
You shouldn't be playing 20/40 live.
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12-29-2022 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Snap It Off
Online 3-6 limit hold-em game. You hold KhKs in the cutoff. 2off open raises and you re-raise. Blinds fold and 2off caps it. Flop comes Qh3d2s. 2off bets.

Do you call or raise? I called because I figured his cap preflop was most likely a big pocket pair. If he had AA or QQ he was ahead of me and there was only one other KK available.

I didn't fold as there were a few other hands he could have for his action.

Turn came Jh. Now if I didn't raise on the flop, it just got scarier so I just called his bet.

River came 7c. I called his bet and he turned over 77 for trips!

Given that he had the (guts, recklessness) to cap preflop with 77, would a raise on the flop or turn have shaken him?
PF cap 77 UTG+1 vs CO 3bet is horrendous.

1. Raise flop.
2. Raise turn as played.

OT: villan sounds like a 50 VPIP 40pfr 4 af 95% WTSD 30% W$@SD fish.

Last edited by maka2184; 12-29-2022 at 07:16 PM. Reason: 100% WTSD #1 AINEC (●^o^●)
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12-29-2022 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Snap It Off
Thanks Ray and everyone else. And for those of you who think I should drop down a few levels, I occasionally play 20/40 live. All you gotta do is find me!
No, move up stakes. 3/6 LHE brutal online unless you have close to 100% rakeback.

OT: I did on Cereus as Prop along with several 2+2

PS: 100% rakeback no longer available

Last edited by maka2184; 12-29-2022 at 07:14 PM. Reason: 100% Rakeback #1 AINEC (●^o^●)
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