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Getting max value with a flopped set OOP on a flush draw board in MTT? Getting max value with a flopped set OOP on a flush draw board in MTT?

10-18-2022 , 02:09 PM
Hello,

I am wondering what I should be looking to do in this spot.

This is an hypothetical example, but I came across this general spot itself, I just don't have a exact hand history right now.

Me and villain have 30bb.

So let's say I raise 2x from high jack with 7d 7s. I only get called by the Tight Passive cutoff player.

Flop comes Td 7h 2h


In this spot I'm not sure if I should be c-betting (not a lot of hands likely connected with this tight player in which he likely just folds) or checking so they catch up or bet if they have something (but then I potentially miss out on a street of value since this guy is passive), or go all in (I get called by a flush draw which I beat 2/3s of the time, but only would likely get called by a flush draw, or AT, KT, QT, JT.

Often if I do the raise they just fold, but when I check and then try to bet the river card I end up betting small to try to get some chips in without scaring the worse hands away and of course they just fold the river 99% of the time when I go for the river bet after the turn.

Thanks for your insight.
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10-19-2022 , 02:15 AM
You have to bet! Always bet when you have a strong hand. You will never can't take all he's chips everytime, but you can only try! If you consider players fold too many top pairs to 3barrel, then you should bluff them very much. And don't forget to use big sizes, i would bet 75% flop. And never be sad if he fold, you already won the pot!
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10-19-2022 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by g.andrei95
You have to bet! Always bet when you have a strong hand. You will never can't take all he's chips everytime, but you can only try! If you consider players fold too many top pairs to 3barrel, then you should bluff them very much. And don't forget to use big sizes, i would bet 75% flop. And never be sad if he fold, you already won the pot!
Thanks for your help!
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10-21-2022 , 08:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mallot1
Hello,

I am wondering what I should be looking to do in this spot.

This is an hypothetical example, but I came across this general spot itself, I just don't have a exact hand history right now.

Me and villain have 30bb.

So let's say I raise 2x from high jack with 7d 7s. I only get called by the Tight Passive cutoff player.

Flop comes Td 7h 2h


In this spot I'm not sure if I should be c-betting (not a lot of hands likely connected with this tight player in which he likely just folds) or checking so they catch up or bet if they have something (but then I potentially miss out on a street of value since this guy is passive), or go all in (I get called by a flush draw which I beat 2/3s of the time, but only would likely get called by a flush draw, or AT, KT, QT, JT.

Often if I do the raise they just fold, but when I check and then try to bet the river card I end up betting small to try to get some chips in without scaring the worse hands away and of course they just fold the river 99% of the time when I go for the river bet after the turn.

Thanks for your insight.
If you shove you are betting 28bb into a 5.5 bb pot. Given any reasonable players, flush draws are not calling. JT/QT/KT/AT are not calling. The only hands that are calling are TT, 22, 8h9h maybe.
Against a tight passive, well, what range does he have? He can have a fd and a T. If you bet enough to deny equity to a fd, like 2/3 pot, he's continuing with tpgk, FD with backdoor sd like JQhh, or maybe nfd. 2 pair is unlikely with a tight passive. Best case he has a T with a fd and you will get him to chase to the river. Enough hands call that you are way ahead of if you just bet a reasonable amount. In a lot of the HH you post you seem to be scared of getting outdrawn. Don't be. That happens, and you just have to accept it. Getting value from good hands means you will be outdrawn at times.
You have a very strong hand, the second nuts. Bet it. Shoving here simply lets your opponent get away when he has something you can get value from.
Also, sometimes your opponent will have nothing to call with. That also happens.
If you opponent has a fd, betting 1/2 - 2/3 pot means he makes a mistake calling. If the flush misses, do the same OTT. If the flush hits, evaluate, maybe bet small on the turn as a probe bet. Just don't scare off the prey with ridiculous oversized bets when you have the board crushed.

Last edited by Kalaea; 10-21-2022 at 08:32 AM. Reason: misread hh
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