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06-20-2017 , 02:09 AM
In 10 years there will be another post on 2p2 asking about the future of poker

The two major risks are ai and poker being outlawed. Ai will affect online poker first, but the solution might be to encourage more multiway action. Maybe a couple more seats have to post a big blind before the deal. Live will be fine until nano technology is here.
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06-20-2017 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by surgeonmagic
I heard poker future looks bright and online poker has been legalized and regulated in three US states like Delaware, New Jersey and Nevada.
It's a step forward, but it's not a cure.

For one thing, state poker is only licensed by and in that state. If Delaware has a site licensed by the state, I can't site at my computer and play on it. That means two things:

1. By itself, Delaware doesn't have enough people to get decent sized tournaments going and they might only be able to run play at a few levels.

2. Those of us in Michigan and 40+ other states don't have anything licensed in the US to play on. I'm better off playing on Americas Cardroom. It's a European site, but a lot of Americans play on it and there is a tournament with about 500 players that I play almost every day, and except for a few hours a day I can always find a SNG.. That would be close to impossible on a Delaware site because the player pool is too small.

EDIT: I have seen estimates that for a poker site to be viable the population would have to be over 10 million. That would include less than 10 states.
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06-20-2017 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by the_glaive
>The year is 2047
>Poker is still banned online throughout great land of United States of America
>Glorious Supreme Dynasty of Trump Family has entered its fourth decade
>Nation is poised for Great Leader Baron's ascension ceremony
>I have to escape
>Hire coyote for 1,000 ultra cypto coins
>Coyote takes me through militarised zone to "The Wall"
>American refugees have elaborate system of tunnels, but they are dangerous and prone to collapse
>Risk my life to crawl through hundreds of yards of tunnels and make it to Mexico
>Freedom, feelsgoodman
>Use ultra crypto coins to purchase small shack, internet connection and state of the art supercomputer
>Now to unleash my secret weapon
>Transfer the most powerful poker bot ever created to supercomputer mainframe
>Create Pokerstars account and transfer all of wealth to account
>Pokerbots from around the world compete on platform for millions of ultra crypto dollars, but none of them can beat my bot
>Crush all pokerbots and decide to play last remaining human player
>Poker bot loses 5.8 billion ultra crypto coins to Isildur1
>About to turn off computer and cry, but remember that there is rakeback
>Open platinum chest
>Receive Daniel Negreanu vegan cookbook
>Cry myself to sleep on mattress in the corner of my shack
5.8 billion Primecoins
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06-20-2017 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by spewtarddeluxe
There is no future, time is a subjective construct. Obv.
lol this
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06-20-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by the_glaive
>The year is 2047
>Poker is still banned online throughout great land of United States of America
>Glorious Supreme Dynasty of Trump Family has entered its fourth decade
>Nation is poised for Great Leader Baron's ascension ceremony
>I have to escape
>Hire coyote for 1,000 ultra cypto coins
>Coyote takes me through militarised zone to "The Wall"
>American refugees have elaborate system of tunnels, but they are dangerous and prone to collapse
>Risk my life to crawl through hundreds of yards of tunnels and make it to Mexico
>Freedom, feelsgoodman
>Use ultra crypto coins to purchase small shack, internet connection and state of the art supercomputer
>Now to unleash my secret weapon
>Transfer the most powerful poker bot ever created to supercomputer mainframe
>Create Pokerstars account and transfer all of wealth to account
>Pokerbots from around the world compete on platform for millions of ultra crypto dollars, but none of them can beat my bot
>Crush all pokerbots and decide to play last remaining human player
>Poker bot loses 5.8 billion ultra crypto coins to Isildur1
>About to turn off computer and cry, but remember that there is rakeback
>Open platinum chest
>Receive Daniel Negreanu vegan cookbook
>Cry myself to sleep on mattress in the corner of my shack
lmao this was incredible
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06-20-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Poker will still be around, but probably in a form that hasn't been analysed to death like NLHE is being
Nils poker
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06-20-2017 , 12:22 PM
As long as there is currency to play with, egos to push us and make us overconfident, and cushy seats in which to sit, there will always be some form of gambling on cardgames.
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06-20-2017 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MultiTabling
Actually, this couldn't be more wrong. All the way down to micro stakes, regs are thinking about GTO and 3betting ranges. Just look around 2+2 and even 2nl regs are discussing these concepts.
True, but keep in mind that 2+2 posters aren't most of the poker population. The only reason I found this site is that I wanted to study, so i started taking poker books out of the library. One of them was a 2+2 book (Theory of Poker) and I wound up here.

I don't think that most of the players you meet in a $5 online or $30 live tournament have ever read a poker book or been on a forum.
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06-20-2017 , 02:44 PM
I am inclined to disagree with the above post. About six years ago I wrote a post in the small stakes limit holdem forum, a supposedly dead game. In six years it has over 26k views. Now, of course some of those views are repeat viewers and some are regs that misclick on my post. However, comparing the 26k views with the small number of posters that regularly frequent that forum and I think it's clear that 2+2 gets a ton of non posters that lurk here.
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06-24-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Clif
Yes, what's good money for someone is very situational. I was in a charity poker room a few years ago and I heard two very young guys talking. It went something like this:

Q How much do you make playing these tournaments?
A I figured it out and I'm making minimum wage.
Q And you're happy with that?
A It beats working at McDonalds!

I'm 61 and I recently started playing poker full-time. If I can make 10K a year by the time my wife retires that will be a very big deal. Here is the situation that makes it work for me;

1. My wife has worked for the same hospital since she was 16 (she's 63 now.) She started her retirement saving the day she started working, so we already have some pretty decent money for retirement.

2. I was in the army for 26 years and I get retirement pay.

3. We live very frugally. We drove the same car for 15 years, until our mechanic said that there were holes in the floor and it was unsafe. We got another car last year, made a down payment of 25% and it will be paid off before my wife retires. We will have no debt at that time. No car debt, no mortgage (we own it free and clear), nothing.

4. We live in an area with a very low cost of living. You can buy a decent 3-bedroom house for 40K.

5. Because I am a retired soldier my wife and I can fly free, on a space available basis, anywhere in the US that a military flight is going. That could get me to a lot of casinos, or to anyplace else that my wife and I would like to visit in her retirement. I have no interest in retiring and I will play poker full-time until I'm too old to see the cards or hear the dealer. Hey, Doyle won a WSOP bracelet at age 76.

The extra 10K I would bring to the deal would be a good boost to an already pretty good retirement situation, and make the retirement savings last a lot longer.

The young man in the poker room was fine with making minimum wage in a charity poker room. Some players are in college and play poker for spending money. I read a post a few years ago from a single mother who made her living grinding cash games while her kids were in school.

If you're happy with what you're making and you have all of your bases covered (insurance, retirement, housing, college fund for the kids, etc.) then for you it's good money.
1) Thank you for your service.

2) Given all the details you provided, I wish you the best of luck man. You deserve a life upswing. One time.
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05-28-2019 , 05:44 AM
the future of poker is in the esports.

think about it, all of us have been attracted by the challenges at the green table among the charismatic phil ivey, tom dwan, doyle brunson etc ...

after the black friday everything was downsized and the absolute monopoly of pokerstars did only damage, who knows how poker would be today if full tilt had still existed

moreover, poker needs to be modernized as it has now been resolved by bots (at least for NLH), how nice it would be to introduce a new depth to poker in order to force everyone (including regulars) to get back in the game 100% and start studying strategies from 0 again.

something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CZytXnBgL4

ROUTINE KILLS!
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05-28-2019 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Texas Chick'en
after the black friday everything was downsized and the absolute monopoly of pokerstars did only damage, who knows how poker would be today if full tilt had still existed
I really don’t think we have to have that discussion again, almost a decade later. Hate PokerStars for everything they did over the last couple of years but without their actions after BF, online poker probably wouldn’t even be a thing anymore. Besides that, FullTilt would have collapsed without BF. Everything ‘what would have been with FTP still around?’ is pretty pointless because it doesn’t account for the fact that their business model was to take players deposits and redistribute them into their own pockets and marketing.
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05-28-2019 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
I really don’t think we have to have that discussion again, almost a decade later. Hate PokerStars for everything they did over the last couple of years but without their actions after BF, online poker probably wouldn’t even be a thing anymore. Besides that, FullTilt would have collapsed without BF. Everything ‘what would have been with FTP still around?’ is pretty pointless because it doesn’t account for the fact that their business model was to take players deposits and redistribute them into their own pockets and marketing.
full tilt poker really didn't care about the law and it is 100% WRONG obv.

they were pirates and they paid for it, BUT they were artists who continued to invest and work, bringing continuous innovations to the world of poker (Rush Poker, Irish Poker etc...)

Don't forget that while pokerstars proposed a vip system that rewarded only the regulars (supernova elite etc..), they rewarded everyone by maintaining a much healthier ecosystem. Pokerstars in the end arrived at the same conclusion in a very hypocritical and incorrect way.

much better pirates than a corporation, 10,000 times!!! long life to art and creativity!
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