I was wondering. Does anyone know where I can find EV formulas for multi-streets? That would be great if someone knew a site or had general formulas where all I have to do is put in the data in the calculations. examples would be like the ev formula for a check/call or a check/raise. I am trying to make a poster of different formulas. Much love.

EV is something that you must calculate based on your opponent's range of hands. You can only determine your opponent's range of hands by reading him/her. Therefore, EV is not a fixed number that can be put on a chart.

Search for a free program called "PokerStove." This program allows you to do EV calculations by entering in what your cards are and what possible hands your opponent could be holding.

That is a ridiculous statement to make. You can calculate your EV by assigning your opponent a range. Then by determining the number of possible combinations for each hand (which you have to be careful with because this changes based upon what cards you can see on teh board). Based on that you assign a % of your opponents range taht each hand makes up. You then calculate your EV, including implied odds and reverse implied odds for each possible hand he can have. Weight that based on the probabilities you calculated and then you have your EV against his range.

That is the complicated way to do it,,,I suggest just use Pokerstove...great tool for calculating percentages (although it wont do EV, you have to do that)

is it me, or are you just saying what he said?

I tihnk he edited his post a little...the part I quoted in my initial reply was all that was there when I replied, the rest was added later, read that bit and it seems like hes saying you cant calculate EV

But this is correct; a person's hand range changes as your observational data improves (more hands) or if you suspect that he is tilting, or see patterns (how positionally aware, ie. how much tighter EP and looser LP he is, or perhaps if he tightens up after being seen bluffing, etc), or the sort of hands he plays. Some players love their ace jack ace ten, fearing domination, while others put AJ above KQ in worth, so for those players, the top x% of their range may be different.

It's fluid.

Yes thats true Ro, but read the initial question, then read the second comment. I read the second in context of the original question. And in context it seems wrong because you can calculate it, use pokerstove, thats a program that does this. While there are subtilties if you use their positional VPIP and other stats you can get a statistical representation of there range.

Although yes ultimately it is fluid it can be calculated easily with formulas, unlike what I think was implied

I think sohoskiracer was just saying what I said. You can calculate EV, but there are a gigidygillion different possibilities, so trying to make charts is useless. Not only are there tons of combinations of boards and potential holdings, but there are also tons of combinations of ranges that you can assign you opponent.

IMO, you can do EV calculations using pokerstove away from the table to study the game, but at the table you must assign you opponent a range of hands based on feel rather than trying to crunch numbers.

Yeah fair enough, just before the edit it looked weird to me, wtv. I like using pokerstove occasionally while playing, although I usually just use positional VPIP stats for ranges because it simplifies life @ the micro levels lol.