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03-04-2013 , 02:28 PM
SNG Hu

Actions Hero dealt 22 33 44 etc (smalll Pair) we raise villain raises 3x we reraise 11x he shoves

Is it sometimes better to fold even though it might be slighty a +EV play

We know that we are behind vs this villain at best we are flipping to a Ax type hand or most likely crushed to a better pair.

But calling is slightly +EV since we have chips invested

Do we still call the shove?

Reason I think folding might be better and i might be wrong.

We have a good edge vs this villain so why flip instead pick better spots

Minimising variance instead of 51% as favorite and getting our money in flip spots we can pick better spots.

And Fliping equals more va****** which can equal more tilt..i know pros should not tilt but everyone can tilt at times whic equals -EV.
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03-04-2013 , 02:35 PM
what makes you think calling is +EV?

Anyway, if you get the odds to call you should call. Minimizing variance isn't a good reason to make a play especially if it comes ta the price of a lower winrate.
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03-04-2013 , 08:10 PM
You're asking if you should call or fold a +ev decision?

If a stranger on the streets want to give you $100 do you turn it down?

If its +EV you have to call ofcourse. Poker is a game of variance, so you'll just have to accept the fact that you can lose better hands. Whether its 90% or 51%.
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03-04-2013 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dax1
SNG Hu

Actions Hero dealt 22 33 44 etc (smalll Pair) we raise villain raises 3x we reraise 11x he shoves

Is it sometimes better to fold even though it might be slighty a +EV play

We know that we are behind vs this villain at best we are flipping to a Ax type hand or most likely crushed to a better pair.

But calling is slightly +EV since we have chips invested

Do we still call the shove?

Reason I think folding might be better and i might be wrong.

We have a good edge vs this villain so why flip instead pick better spots

Minimising variance instead of 51% as favorite and getting our money in flip spots we can pick better spots.

And Fliping equals more va****** which can equal more tilt..i know pros should not tilt but everyone can tilt at times whic equals -EV.
Flipping with a 1% edge is always the correct play in a cash game.

Flipping in a tournament or SNG is usually not correct a lot of the times because the chips you win aren't worth the 50% chance of getting busted out. Look up independent chip model. Doubling your stack does not double your equity in a tournament therefore not +EV.

in a HU SNG however same rule as cash game applies and whenever you are a favorite get your money in because there is only one opponent to knock out so your chips reflect your tournament equity more.
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03-04-2013 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dax1
SNG Hu

But calling is slightly +EV since we have chips invested
Having chips invested can make a decision +EV because the pot is increased. Is this what you meant? If not, care to explain your reasoning?
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03-05-2013 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by realslimshady
Flipping with a 1% edge is always the correct play in a cash game.

Flipping in a tournament or SNG is usually not correct a lot of the times because the chips you win aren't worth the 50% chance of getting busted out. Look up independent chip model. Doubling your stack does not double your equity in a tournament therefore not +EV.

in a HU SNG however same rule as cash game applies and whenever you are a favorite get your money in because there is only one opponent to knock out so your chips reflect your tournament equity more.
OK well explained

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Originally Posted by statmanhal
Having chips invested can make a decision +EV because the pot is increased. Is this what you meant?
yes
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03-05-2013 , 06:49 AM
I think in most games such plays would be -EV because of rake.
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03-05-2013 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by realslimshady
Flipping with a 1% edge is always the correct play in a cash game.
This is correct in a vacuum. There's sometimes more to take into consideration.

Lets say I'm playing a game and myself, another reg and a spewy fish all have 250bb effective.

Flipping a 1% edge against the other reg for 250bb would be a time where I might be prepared to take a -ev position for future EV.

When I lose, I'm back to 100bb. Maintaining a s large a stack as possible against the fish is probably more important than what you gain from the 1% edge in the flip.

Pretty specific example I know, but there aren't that many absolutes in poker.
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