I played probably about 1000 hand of fixed limit at various stakes and found it extremely frustrating. People simple DO NOT FOLD, they play any 2 cards and call l call call to the river. Is this game even beatable? It seems the variance is so extremely high that I don't see how anyone can possibly profit from it. Has anyone else had this experience?

Tell these people it can't be beaten:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...earch/TPirahna
http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...earch/zzeigler

They would disagree with your idea that nobody can profit from it.

Just a thought, if they are calling with anything, then stop bluffing. It amuses me when people blame the game itself rather than admitting they have fundamental flaws in their own play. No different to the "omgz NL2 is unbeatable" threads that come up.

Oh, and in before "LOLsamplesize".

LOL sample size OP! You have 1k hands!

Wat? Denks was in first? NM

Ive never played fixed limit , i dont think i could cope with Limits but it would solve one of my big problems of overplaying some hands

I miss the days when they had limit SnG's.

If people DO NOT FOLD then how can you ask whether the game is beatable? Surely this is the easiest possible strategy to exploit...maybe it's not fixed limit that is 'really dumb'.

I would suggest that you stop playing LHE like it's NLHE.

Why do people assume LHE is like HLHE, it is a different bloody game, people play it the same, lose and then bitch that they can't win. It is ******ed on an epic scale. There are facets and nuances of the game that aren't found in NLHE, more streets of play more often etc etc.

/End rant

I've only played microstakes 2c/4c fixed limit hold'em, and certainly agree that people will call all the way to the river at those stakes. Often, there would be 7 players seeing a flop, so monsters like aces or kings would lose very often.
The only way to beat the game (for me) was to play much more tightly than my opponents. Unless I flopped extremely well (TPTK on an uncoordinated board, 2pr, or I was drawing to the nuts) I folded on the flop. Even though you usually have the right odds to chase gutshots, it's often not worth calling if there are multiple villains.

e.g. 1: Hero has T9 and flop comes 78A. Calling is worthwhile, because he has the top end of an open-ended straight. If he hits the 6 or J, he'll get paid off by top pair.

e.g. 2: Hero has 67 and flop comes 89A. Calling is not worthwhile, because he has the bottom end of a straight. If the T falls, someone probably has JQ for a better straight.

e.g. 3: Hero has AKss and flop comes Js 6s 2h. Calling is worthwhile, because he's drawing to the nut flush, and has two overcards, so TPTK also provides outs.

e.g. 4: Hero has T9hh and flop comes Kh 3h Ad. Calling is not worthwhile, because his flush won't be the nuts (whoever has the Ace of hearts is definitely not folding!) and hands like two pairs drawing to boats absolutely crush ten high.

If you can be disciplined enough to fold weak draws and low pairs, then you can make some money, but the mere fact that so many players go to every flop means you're constantly in fear of bad beats and need to make monster hands (nut flushes, boats) to get paid off. For me, it's a lot easier to make money beating the fish in no limit games. Fixed limit is harder to profit from, but you can definitely beat the game if you work out a strategy that can beat the super-loose players.

I like Limit except it I'm playing women. Women's bestest trick ever is to checkraise on the river with the nuts

The problem with limit, you have learn how to play poker.

+1

Oh snap

Oh no he didn't!!

^^^^ this ainec

If they play any 2 cards and call call call to the river and never fold... I'd say this game would be beatable by having a better hand than them preflop, and then bet/bet/bet until the river?

I expect so.

can you rephrase this? I'm not sure what you are trying to get at

I played at LHE no-foldem tables a lot when learning the game. They were definitely beatable then

One is a art and one is a science. (qoute) from supersystem

Boom!

steamboatin wins the thread.

With the greatest respect, much of that post is very wrong.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...table-1092487/

Although denks is beeing pretty annoying he makes some good posts at a time,

here you can look up the winrates of people at NHL and FLH

Think 1-2BB is really good at limit so variance is super high;

stil it can be beat, you just need a different attempt at it

Denks wonder why u dont forward your own post to him, he's basically asking for it /shrug

thing this pretty much sums it up

Fixed limit is extremely tilting.

Micro fixed limit is a rake rape as well.

True, but of course good players just see that as another source of profit. (I'm not a good player.)

Somewhat off topic, but I've often thought different poker variants can be likened to different characters from our teens.

Limit Holdem is your brainy bachelor uncle. You don't see much of him but he comes to visit every Christmas. After dinner he'll insist on playing you at Chess or Scrabble. He'll take you for walks and in the middle of a conversation about something else entirely, he'll fire a question at you, testing your mental arithmetic.

No Limit Holdem is your older brother on the day he gets his first sports car. It's bright red and he takes you for a drive. He drives way too fast. When you get back home, still in one piece, luckily, you can't wait to go out with him again.

You're fifteen years old. Next door lives a girl of sixteen. You've fancied her from afar for quite a while. Some days she'll acknowledge you, others she cuts you dead. The way her body is changing shape has you fascinated. The other day you secretly watched her bending down to adjust the strap on the high-heeled shoes she's started wearing and caught a glimpse of her red satin panties. Her name is PLO.

etc

DD I think I'm in love with PLO, but she told me she is a heartbreaker. What to do? I don't want to go for walks with my uncle he's such a nerd, and playing chess and talking math is not as fun anymore . I can't stop thinking about those red panties....maybe I can get her in the red sports car and she won't break my heart?

At 15 you should probably just dive in and hope to run good.

Plenty of time for BRM when you get older.