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11-11-2008 , 08:29 PM
Hello,

Im in my first ever 10K event. I sattelite in through teirs for 65$.
I make the money 21.3K and there are 33 people left. I am about 15th in chips at 260K. Blinds are 3/6k with 500 ante.

I am in the small blind with QdQh
A former WPT champ (nameless) raises UTG to 18K he has 240K stack
folds around to me and I smooth call. BB folds

pot 40K

flop 8s 6h 2s

I check Pro bets 20K
I raise to 60K
pro tanks, then moves all in
I put him on spades or under pair to me

slight chance overpair KK or AA, slim to no chance a set

should I call here and take a chance at big double up trying to dodge flush
or preserve my stack and try to get it in in better spot.

results.. I call Pro villian has Qs9s and I am 2/1 favorite
results turn spade and I am crippled later taking home 21.3 K
spots 28, 25, 22, 18 are all 3K money bumps

should I have taken this 2/1 gamble or waited
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11-11-2008 , 08:40 PM
He made his flush, so clearly, you shouldn't have called.
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11-11-2008 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Karganeth
He made his flush, so clearly, you shouldn't have called.
Keep that sarcastic stuff out of Beginners


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Originally Posted by PunchCut
Hello,

Im in my first ever 10K event. I sattelite in through teirs for 65$.
I make the money 21.3K and there are 33 people left. I am about 15th in chips at 260K. Blinds are 3/6k with 500 ante.

I am in the small blind with QdQh
A former WPT champ (nameless) raises UTG to 18K he has 240K stack
folds around to me and I smooth call. BB folds

pot 40K

flop 8s 6h 2s

I check Pro bets 20K
I raise to 60K
pro tanks, then moves all in
I put him on spades or under pair to me

slight chance overpair KK or AA, slim to no chance a set

should I call here and take a chance at big double up trying to dodge flush
or preserve my stack and try to get it in in better spot.

results.. I call Pro villian has Qs9s and I am 2/1 favorite
results turn spade and I am crippled later taking home 21.3 K
spots 28, 25, 22, 18 are all 3K money bumps

should I have taken this 2/1 gamble or waited
Kind of a tough spot. I think once he 3bet-shoves, his range is quite strong, and you're stuck guessing would he go this far with 99-JJ? He'll have 99-AA or overcards + FD almost every time here, and never a total bluff.

Was he loose/aggro PF?
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11-11-2008 , 09:03 PM
Here is my 2 cents, which is more important to YOU? Playing for max payout or playing to win it all. If the money won by moving up is life altering money, play conservatively. If it is not and it is the big prize you are eyeing that is important, then gamble it up. Many of the top tourney players would rather continue to play small ball and preserve their chances at survival, but if you think the field is a little better/more experienced than you then the stack increase is HUGE. Again just my 2 cents. Remember, you gotta be in it to win it.
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11-11-2008 , 10:12 PM
if u put him on an underpair or fd only i def call

given action tho i think i fold (not considering results ofc) his line looks rly strong
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11-12-2008 , 04:17 AM
raise preflop and u never have to ask yourself these questions
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11-12-2008 , 01:57 PM
Thats a gutsy call, I think the short-term (just that hand) correct play was to call but taking the whole tournament into account it a is to fold. The two situations are either you are like 70% favorite or you have like a 10% shot of winning. You are not sure you are winning and even if you are he can suck out a fair % of the time. Its way better explained here

http://www.chillin411.com/node/7

Essentially you expectation money wise is greater folding even though you are winning in the hand.

Having said all this you should of raised him preflop.
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11-13-2008 , 04:37 PM
3bet pre-flop probably.


As played played I raise more on the flop.

And as played call.
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11-18-2008 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Karganeth
He made his flush, so clearly, you shouldn't have called.
my call of his push was on the flop, he made flush on turn, we were already all in when he hit it
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11-18-2008 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by raze
Keep that sarcastic stuff out of Beginners




Kind of a tough spot. I think once he 3bet-shoves, his range is quite strong, and you're stuck guessing would he go this far with 99-JJ? He'll have 99-AA or overcards + FD almost every time here, and never a total bluff.

Was he loose/aggro PF?
He is Loose Aggressive in the good way. His record speaks for itself, 2 time WPT champ
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11-18-2008 , 12:39 PM
i think u made correct play
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11-18-2008 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CMurray
Here is my 2 cents, which is more important to YOU? Playing for max payout or playing to win it all. If the money won by moving up is life altering money, play conservatively. If it is not and it is the big prize you are eyeing that is important, then gamble it up. Many of the top tourney players would rather continue to play small ball and preserve their chances at survival, but if you think the field is a little better/more experienced than you then the stack increase is HUGE. Again just my 2 cents. Remember, you gotta be in it to win it.
the chip double would be huge in making big money jumps
i was more thinking of preserving my tournamnet life
as for the call, it turned out to be a good one, just ended bad when he hit

thanks for your input, the money jump would not alter my life unless it was final table money
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11-18-2008 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
if u put him on an underpair or fd only i def call

given action tho i think i fold (not considering results ofc) his line looks rly strong
it was a close one, calling was what my gut said, i felt flush draw all the way, was hoping it wasnt flush draw like AsKs of course then hed have overs

figured he migh have 10 10 or JJ as well , so i called hoping for the best
i also figured he wanted to just push my amatuer butt off the winner
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11-18-2008 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
raise preflop and u never have to ask yourself these questions
very very true, i was trapping and put myself in a tough spot, of course in and A or K hit the flop I can get away easy

that was the only mistake I made in the hand not reraising preflop

ty
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11-18-2008 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by adamcadaver
Thats a gutsy call, I think the short-term (just that hand) correct play was to call but taking the whole tournament into account it a is to fold. The two situations are either you are like 70% favorite or you have like a 10% shot of winning. You are not sure you are winning and even if you are he can suck out a fair % of the time. Its way better explained here

http://www.chillin411.com/node/7

Essentially you expectation money wise is greater folding even though you are winning in the hand.

Having said all this you should of raised him preflop.
thanks for the input i agree
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11-18-2008 , 01:19 PM
IMO, your call was not a mistake....and folding would have been acceptable as well.

As stated above, it's about trying to win and by calling, it tells me that you were doing just that.

The fact that you were at a table with a 2 time WPT champ would say you weren't the best player at the table. This being the case, it also makes the call correct because if the better players see you will fold a big hand to a 3-bet, they're going to eat up your stack. Getting in as a favorite is much better than getting chipped down and being forced to push with a weaker holding.

BTW...Congrats on your finish in the money.
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11-18-2008 , 01:23 PM
Why did u called pf with QQ?
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11-18-2008 , 03:54 PM
3bet preflop, lead flop. His actions if you played it this way will give you enough info to make your decision if he still shoves. You were basically playing in the dark.
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11-18-2008 , 04:58 PM
you made right call imo but i wud have raised preflop
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11-18-2008 , 08:48 PM
Congrats on the 11k profit in your first 10k. You got your money in good, and if you are playing to win instead of move up the ladder then you may a correct move. A pro is rarely going to be drawing dead in that situation, you should be glad that you read the situation right and made a good move with your money.
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11-18-2008 , 09:23 PM
Im folding here. Not because u lost the hand but i like playing overs with my aggression only, not anyone elses. Too many times, i bow out of tourneys with coin flips or hidden sets. This is me though, i play early stages of tourneys quite cautiously.

I woulda played back at him preflop but i think trapping isnt the worst thing in the world. I normally like to see where im at with QQ cos once an over flops my hand's worth diddly squat to a bet.

AKs is definitely in villain's range here.
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12-06-2008 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 1MoReCarD
IMO, your call was not a mistake....and folding would have been acceptable as well.

As stated above, it's about trying to win and by calling, it tells me that you were doing just that.

The fact that you were at a table with a 2 time WPT champ would say you weren't the best player at the table. This being the case, it also makes the call correct because if the better players see you will fold a big hand to a 3-bet, they're going to eat up your stack. Getting in as a favorite is much better than getting chipped down and being forced to push with a weaker holding.

BTW...Congrats on your finish in the money.

ty very much
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12-06-2008 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Akatosh
Why did u called pf with QQ?
this player i was against was super aggr, i was in the blind and was going to be heads up
it was my line most of the tourney to play it safe preflop unless i had KK or AA

i figured if i saw an A or K and bet into him I could dump to a raise
my plan was a trap here

in retrospect i wish i put him to the test preflop even though i got in with the best of it 66/33 or approx
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12-06-2008 , 04:56 PM
I feel like the pro was Gus here.

Standard call, should have 3-bet pre-flop. Sure, his UTG range is pretty tight (depending on the player). Poker is about people and situations, so it's had to made a read on his range unless we actually knew who it was or played with him for a bit that day. I think I 3bet to 11xBB here and fold if he ships. You should not have checked the flop on a drawy board IMO
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12-06-2008 , 06:33 PM
Shoulda Reraised pre...
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