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02-15-2012 , 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chad0x00
didnt even come 2nd
Just gotta laugh this one off I guess?!!!
02-15-2012 , 06:34 PM
Pretty loose call by BB there ^^, fair enough you are 5 handed but at best you are up against two versions of AK. EDIT: Since someone posted above me it's not the oen I was referring to, should of just quoted. I meant the hand with AA v KK v QQ

Anyways, had such a weird day. Tilted off $5 at NL2, went back and won $9 to then get coolered for another $5 - some big swings for NL2. Some to be running good in tournament sats though, entered one for the big $4.40. Only 26 got a seat from 287, thankfully I run good in these (not the actual tournaments though ). I was the shortest stack with 2BB (40 players left) and within ~15 hands I was chip leader.

Tournament has just started and I got AA first hand on the button - looks like my run good is continuing. Hoping for a good tournament run here! Need a bankroll boost.

Out of interest, I was thinking if I build a decent roll on stars to despoit elsewhere? Anyone know any good sites which either have a great sign-up/rakeback deal or a room with decent traphic and soft competition?
02-15-2012 , 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raikkonen3
Out of interest, I was thinking if I build a decent roll on stars to despoit elsewhere? Anyone know any good sites which either have a great sign-up/rakeback deal or a room with decent traphic and soft competition?
I would have said Everleaf, as its super soft but there seems to be some issues going on so can't really recommend it at the mo.

I'm told Ipoker is soft and you can get a decent rb deal as well as VIP.

I also play on 888, soft games, decent player pool, but only VIP no rb deals to be had.

Have a search, there's loads of threads on 'which site's best'
02-15-2012 , 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
I would have said Everleaf, as its super soft but there seems to be some issues going on so can't really recommend it at the mo.

I'm told Ipoker is soft and you can get a decent rb deal as well as VIP.

I also play on 888, soft games, decent player pool, but only VIP no rb deals to be had.

Have a search, there's loads of threads on 'which site's best'
Ah right thanks. Think what I'll do is keep grinding at stars till I've got all my bonuses off them (god they take so long at NL2 - can barely get any VPPs). Think I've got to get another 1000 and I get about 4-8 everyone 500 hands so they take a while.

Once I've done that hopefully I'll move sites and just keep going round stealing bonuses. :P
02-15-2012 , 07:08 PM
got all in with KK vs A9o pre flop and lost to a flopped ace. Stopped for the day. Tomorrow I am going to start grinding 5nl. My goal - to get to 100 Buyins for 5nl before I move to 10nl.
02-15-2012 , 07:34 PM
Ugh, poor session tonight.
This was my first hand of the night, and didn't manage to claw it back.
Going all in first hand may seem a little reckless with no reads on villains, but I guess it would be weak to fold a set.

PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $2.23
SB: $2.03
BB: $2.00
UTG: $1.03
UTG+1: $1.91
MP: $0.55
MP+1: $2.00
LP: $1.85
Hero (CO): $2.00

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02, Hero posts DB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero has 5 5

UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 raises to $0.08, fold, MP+1 calls $0.08, fold, Hero calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.08, fold, BB calls $0.06, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.49, 6 players) 5 J 6
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $1.83 and is all-in, MP+1 calls $1.83, Hero calls $1.83, fold, fold, fold

Turn: ($5.98, 3 players) 8
MP+1 bets $0.09 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.09 and is all-in

River: ($6.16, 3 players) Q

Spoiler:
MP+1 shows K J (Flush, King High) (PreFlop 18%, Flop 31%, Turn 19%)
Hero mucks 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives) (PreFlop 18%, Flop 65%, Turn 79%)
UTG+1 mucks A A (One Pair, Aces) (PreFlop 65%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)
MP+1 wins $0.17
MP+1 wins $5.69
02-15-2012 , 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Ugh, poor session tonight.
This was my first hand of the night, and didn't manage to claw it back.
Going all in first hand may seem a little reckless with no reads on villains, but I guess it would be weak to fold a set.

PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $2.23
SB: $2.03
BB: $2.00
UTG: $1.03
UTG+1: $1.91
MP: $0.55
MP+1: $2.00
LP: $1.85
Hero (CO): $2.00

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02, Hero posts DB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero has 5 5

UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 raises to $0.08, fold, MP+1 calls $0.08, fold, Hero calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.08, fold, BB calls $0.06, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.49, 6 players) 5 J 6
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $1.83 and is all-in, MP+1 calls $1.83, Hero calls $1.83, fold, fold, fold

Turn: ($5.98, 3 players) 8
MP+1 bets $0.09 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.09 and is all-in

River: ($6.16, 3 players) Q

Spoiler:
MP+1 shows K J (Flush, King High) (PreFlop 18%, Flop 31%, Turn 19%)
Hero mucks 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives) (PreFlop 18%, Flop 65%, Turn 79%)
UTG+1 mucks A A (One Pair, Aces) (PreFlop 65%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)
MP+1 wins $0.17
MP+1 wins $5.69
Really? At 2NL I'm fist pumping if I see some donk do this - you have the 3rd nuts (for now) plus given the PF action it is less likely someone has JJ. Chances are you will be up against a draw of some kind but I'm never folding this ever. Your equity must of been >50% surely? Without doing the maths it does like an easy +EV spot.

EDIT: 64% in this spot, obviously this isn't against ranges but they are doing this so light. Any overcard, flush/straight draws, two pair combos, sets, possibly even top pair with some idiots. You will definitely have good equity against this range and you're getting >2:1 on a call so it's defintiely +EV.
02-15-2012 , 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raikkonen3
Really? At 2NL I'm fist pumping if I see some donk do this - you have the 3rd nuts (for now) plus given the PF action it is less likely someone has JJ. Chances are you will be up against a draw of some kind but I'm never folding this ever. Your equity must of been >50% surely? Without doing the maths it does like an easy +EV spot.
Right. And that's why I called.

But the rest of my session nothing hit either.
My graph for the day looks like a cliff, then a ski slope
02-15-2012 , 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chad0x00
got all in with KK vs A9o pre flop and lost to a flopped ace. Stopped for the day. Tomorrow I am going to start grinding 5nl. My goal - to get to 100 Buyins for 5nl before I move to 10nl.
urgh, I couldnt do it. Im allready sick of the micro's

seems that BRM is something were all fighting with at the moment.
Sometimes I wonder if its all worth the effort you know,

Did you see the BBV thread about the guy who got sick of the grind and put his BR into a few big MTT's ,now he is balling it up playing live 10k events (pretty sure I read that a few months back and everyone was railing his games but I missed like 100 pages I think tl;dr.

Also I havnt had a hair cut since last summer, Im probably seriously unhealthy and I hardly ever leave my flat anymore.

This **** better be worth it.
I really am going to push for higher limits, im sick of this low limit crap all the time. makes me crazy I need to be getting paid for time ive been spunking on poker.
Im going to really push to move up every limit, when I have 25 BI for the next limit ill move up, if I lose 5 I WILL move down. The odd MTT too for 1% of my roll only. I would love to make $100nl and build a nice 100BI roll.

Also guys dont let your life take a back seat to poker. recently ive played so much poker I havnt done much else and my body hates me.
Im going to cut my poker down to just 3 hours a day, along with 3 hours of uni work and an hour of working out (push ups, sit ups etc). Im also going to get my diet right, starting with a detox to try get my skin a lot better.

Cleaning my flat and doing everything BEFORE I open a poker table really sets my mind straight. I do this a lot, but its just so easy to give up.

Pluss I have toothache and I dont have a dentist, baller.
02-15-2012 , 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3pidemic
urgh, I couldnt do it. Im allready sick of the micro's

seems that BRM is something were all fighting with at the moment.
Sometimes I wonder if its all worth the effort you know,

Did you see the BBV thread about the guy who got sick of the grind and put his BR into a few big MTT's ,now he is balling it up playing live 10k events (pretty sure I read that a few months back and everyone was railing his games but I missed like 100 pages I think tl;dr.

Also I havnt had a hair cut since last summer, Im probably seriously unhealthy and I hardly ever leave my flat anymore.

This **** better be worth it.
I really am going to push for higher limits, im sick of this low limit crap all the time. makes me crazy I need to be getting paid for time ive been spunking on poker.
Im going to really push to move up every limit, when I have 25 BI for the next limit ill move up, if I lose 5 I WILL move down. The odd MTT too for 1% of my roll only. I would love to make $100nl and build a nice 100BI roll.

Also guys dont let your life take a back seat to poker. recently ive played so much poker I havnt done much else and my body hates me.
Im going to cut my poker down to just 3 hours a day, along with 3 hours of uni work and an hour of working out (push ups, sit ups etc). Im also going to get my diet right, starting with a detox to try get my skin a lot better.

Cleaning my flat and doing everything BEFORE I open a poker table really sets my mind straight. I do this a lot, but its just so easy to give up.

Pluss I have toothache and I dont have a dentist, baller.
What limit you play? You a 'pro'? By pro I mean are you dependent on poker for your living or do you have cash elsewhere?

Feel for you, toothache is the worst thing ever - pain can be unbearable at times. Just get some strong painkillers - that's what I did and it went after a few weeks.

I'm a bit of a degen (although I can afford to lose the money I play with so that's probably why i blew my last rolls to quickly and stupidly) but BRM isn't that important imo. It's just about how much do you really value the money you have? If I had 10BI that is enough imo - but if you feel that you are scared with only playing with 10BI then obviously you shouldn't do it. If you are comfortable with playing with such a small amount of BI and aren't afraid of losing the money (e.g. it wouldn't affect your life dramatically) then it can't be that much of a bad idea to take a risk. Just think if the benefits outweight the negatives.

EDIT: Just busted out of the $4.40 - was doing pretty well as well but got 2nd nut straight vs nut straight. :/ Tournament run good has ran out Maybe one day I'll cash in these things.

Last edited by raikkonen3; 02-15-2012 at 08:13 PM.
02-15-2012 , 08:21 PM
Hmm, I don't think I won a significant pot tonight, yet lost a few.
Last hand of the night. TPKT vs TPWK. He shoves his short stack and turns his 2nd pair.
I welcome this, I really do!

PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $3.20
UTG+1: $1.04
MP: $1.04
MP+1: $2.53
LP: $0.75
Hero (CO): $2.00
BTN: $1.88
SB: $2.05
BB: $2.00

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has A K

UTG calls $0.02, fold, MP calls $0.02, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.02, fold, fold, BB raises to $0.10, fold, MP calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.33, 3 players) 7 K 6
BB checks, MP bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.32, fold, MP raises to $0.94 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.62

Turn: ($2.21, 2 players) 5

River: ($2.21, 2 players) J

Spoiler:
Hero shows A K (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 75%, Flop 85%, Turn 39%)
MP shows 5 K (Two Pair, Kings and Fives) (PreFlop 25%, Flop 15%, Turn 61%)
MP wins $2.10
02-15-2012 , 09:01 PM
just lost QQ<JJ allin pf...suckaaaa
02-15-2012 , 09:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yoshi02
just lost QQ<JJ allin pf...suckaaaa
Hope you congratulated villain on his superior play
02-15-2012 , 11:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nismo9
Hope you congratulated villain on his superior play
well I lost another allin pf with queens but against AK this time. I think the ladies weren't being nice to me tonight.

roller coaster session, was down $8, b/e, then down $6, and finally received some good cards and managed to win big pots against fishes so at the end I went up $3.5. not the best day at the office but happy to end positive.

also, I'm becoming a victim of FPS...and I think I shouldn't. in this hand villain raises me for the consecutive 3rd time when I'm on the BB, plus his attempt to steal is like 75% . so I say f u bastard and plan to apply Baluga for a level. turn card is just great to represent a flush and he tanks for a while before calling. on the river I make a bluff looking like a valuebet but villain puts me allin...would you fold here too? this **** costed me almost $4


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11893702

    MP: $15.78 (315.6 bb)
    CO: $4.96 (99.2 bb)
    BTN: $0.86 (17.2 bb)
    SB: $6.03 (120.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $6.73 (134.6 bb)
    UTG: $5 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 7
    4 folds, SB raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.30) J 2 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.70) 5 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.45, Hero raises to $1.40, SB calls $0.95

    River: ($3.50) 2 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, SB raises to $4.28 and is all-in, Hero folds




    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
    02-16-2012 , 02:19 AM
    Yesterday the accursed hand was pocket 9s. Today it is pocket Qs. If you want to win today, just fold your QQ preflop!

    I'm having a rotten day. Played the $11 shorthanded NLH, picked up QQ in the big blind. It folded around to the SB, who played every hand like a gorilla on steroids, and he raised, I 3bet, he monster shove 4bets and I call. He has AJo and runs out the nut flush.
    02-16-2012 , 02:37 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kamikaze baby
    Yesterday the accursed hand was pocket 9s. Today it is pocket Qs. If you want to win today, just fold your QQ preflop!
    Thanks for the tip! Will do! Oh, I just btw. had a look at some of my stats. Turns out AKo is the 7th biggest losing hand of them all. You playing AKo? It's a leak!

    Now to find out how that stat is possible. I think I have a clue, but better review some hands to make sure before I go on spewing money with the big slick.
    02-16-2012 , 03:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by quadas
    Thanks for the tip! Will do! Oh, I just btw. had a look at some of my stats. Turns out AKo is the 7th biggest losing hand of them all. You playing AKo? It's a leak!

    Now to find out how that stat is possible. I think I have a clue, but better review some hands to make sure before I go on spewing money with the big slick.
    AK shouldn't be a losing hand.


    I've won $1.52, 150BB/100 with AK.

    Its all about preflop aggression with AK imo. Don't ever just call a raise, fold'em or raise'em.
    02-16-2012 , 05:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by quadas
    Thanks for the tip! Will do! Oh, I just btw. had a look at some of my stats. Turns out AKo is the 7th biggest losing hand of them all. You playing AKo? It's a leak!
    This is not uncommon at the micros. A lot of the value from playing AK comes from fold equity ie. raise preflop, then c-bet the flop. Since you generally have less fold equity at the bottom of the micros, AK loses a lot of its value.
    02-16-2012 , 05:38 AM
    Ive slept on it and the more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me. If I play til I have 100 buyins at the level I'm at, that's plenty to move up with and I could be pretty sure I'd beaten the level. On it today!
    02-16-2012 , 05:43 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chad0x00
    Ive slept on it and the more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me. If I play til I have 100 buyins at the level I'm at, that's plenty to move up with and I could be pretty sure I'd beaten the level. On it today!
    Gl! :-)
    02-16-2012 , 05:44 AM
    Kralex, I'd be willing to bet that with ak if you miss the flop you cbet often regardless of board texture and probably barrel a lot of missed turns without considering how much your opponent likes to call with 4th pair. Correct me if I'm wrong!
    02-16-2012 , 06:06 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kralex
    AK shouldn't be a losing hand.


    I've won $1.52, 150BB/100 with AK.

    Its all about preflop aggression with AK imo. Don't ever just call a raise, fold'em or raise'em.
    Yes, I know, shouldn't be. I think one problem is that I've seen too many multiway flops with AK. So raise more it is. Even if I hit tptk, it is not a very strong holding in a multiway pot. It also feels like a lot of people always put the preflop raiser on AK. Once the flop hits, if they can beat AK they continue, if they don't, they get out. Even if I have won 60% of the hands, I've won the small pots and lost the big pots. Gotta work on not losing the big pots.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chad0x00
    Kralex, I'd be willing to bet that with ak if you miss the flop you cbet often regardless of board texture and probably barrel a lot of missed turns without considering how much your opponent likes to call with 4th pair. Correct me if I'm wrong!
    Was this comment perhaps meant to be directed at me? If so, I think you might be quite right.
    02-16-2012 , 06:10 AM
    Yeah i got that mixed up when I was posting in a rush Quadas. Go back and look at your AK hands - I bet you went bet bet bet when you missed in most of them.
    02-16-2012 , 06:28 AM
    So how much did you lose playing $25nl chad?
    02-16-2012 , 06:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chad0x00
    Yeah i got that mixed up when I was posting in a rush Quadas. Go back and look at your AK hands - I bet you went bet bet bet when you missed in most of them.
    Not really. In fact, now when I look at it, I think it is the opposite. I almost never fire a second barrel when I miss. There is a lot of hands there where I cbet flop and c/f turn. Also a lot of hands where I cbet and c/c a small turnbet with a gutshot and two overs then fold river when I miss.

    The biggest losses, however,come from hands where I hit tptk versus some passive station or aggromaniac that I've seen stack of with bottom pair, then they just happen to have it that time.

          
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