You're honestly folding to a flop raise? I can pick out many hands in my HH that show fish doing this with A9 here, I can merit folding to a shove but I ain't ever folding to a raise here. He does seem passive but it's only ten hands, I honestly believe at 2NL it would be -EV to fold to flop raises with an overpair everytime in this kind of situation.
You'll find that you are often folding the best hand and losing your 15c. You'll also find that often enough you are way behind and get stacked.
woot longest session I've played non stop, why coz I wanted that last $3 so I could move up, the one that should of done it I flop a set xr, jam turn and he calls with his 4 outer and hits the bastard, I had to sit for another 1.5hours during that time I went down again with some coolers/suckouts, but kept going and tomorrow if I play its nl5 otherwise Monday
Everytime im near shot taking I always end up going 1 bi early, i'd have been playing 5nl today lol
Srsly though, as its the weekend, take your shot now, dont start a new limit on a monday!
I don't fold to the min-raise, bigger pre though for sure, call the min-raise and play for a small pot imo, but I also call off the shove as played b/c its 2nl and he turns up with worse than KK's enough imo
EDIT: He's also an unknown at 2nl, idiot til proven otherwise imo so just get it in
I don't fold to the min-raise, bigger pre though for sure, call the min-raise and play for a small pot imo, but I also call off the shove as played b/c its 2nl and he turns up with worse than KK's enough imo
EDIT: He's also an unknown at 2nl, idiot til proven otherwise imo so just get it in
agreed, plus he limped from the button and had $1 left...prolly a fish. he may do the same with A9 or TT-QQ. I wouldn't fold it either
I'm pretty sure you can just fold the flop and be right most of the time. Otherwise you will get stacked a lot vs sets.Fish are passive, not aggressive.
I think in the end it's going to be pretty neutral EV - some fish are aggro but this one defintiely seemed to more passive after 10 hands. If i played it again now I'd probably call raise and if a T, J, Q, K, A drops and he's still aggressive then I'd lay it down since fish with a 9 would play scared once an overcard falls.
My return didn't go as well as planned, seriously tilting now. I'd been playing pretty nitty tbh all session, laying down quite a lot of good hands. Eventually get top two and get stacked off nut straight - sick of the coolers (only ended down $1.5 because apart from that big hand I played well). Got a couple of hands where I layed down big hands and wondered how you's would play these:
Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q T
2 folds, CO raises to $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, SB calls $0.03, BB calls $0.02
Flop: ($0.16) Q A T (4 players)
SB bets $0.02, BB raises to $0.26, CO calls $0.26, [color="grey"]Hero???
BB is fairly aggro player running at 26/16/8.5AF, CO is huge fish at 93/39/2.4AF. SB is LAG at 60/40/4.0.
I layed this down because figured I could be behind to a lot of hands and if not then I can easily get outdrawn on since it's such a draw heavy board. Probably another neutral ev spot because I can be ahead of so much but behind a lot too.
SB definitely has a hand, do I shove here? His range is JJ,QQ,KK,AA,AK imo so I guess it's a shove especially since if I get both fish along I'm likely to win the side pot. In hindsight this was a bad fold but I never realised how little everyone had behind and I was mroe thinking of flatting - I should of payed more attention to stack sizes. This is a pretty standard shove though yeah?
If i played it again now I'd probably call raise and if a T, J, Q, K, A drops and he's still aggressive then I'd lay it down since fish with a 9 would play scared once an overcard falls.
That would be how I'd play it too. Though, laying it down on a K would be a little nitty, even for BQ.
Last time I told you I was about to move up to 4nl 6max (from 2nl full ring). Well here are my first 3k hands, not bad so far, still getting used to 6max and new player pool. I don't feel I'm making too much mistakes pre, but I feel I'm still missing value post.. working on it.....
1st hand hmm, SB probably has some Ax type hand, BB looks like he wants to get his stack in with that raise it a bit much even for FD so maybe he did flop a straight or set of tens, I dunno I'd probably dump it myself too
2nd hand, I'd definitely at least call, and raise the flop or turn, but really I'd prefer to 4bet preflop and get it all in
I preferred to control the pot, since my hand was still vulnerable and I could fold to a river shove if he decided to go broke (I'm not calling that). Plus, if I'm raising turn, he would probably fold or go all-in, putting me into a tough spot. Kinda "monsters under the bed" syndrom, I know.
Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with 6 4 J 8 2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t105, 1 fold, MP2 calls t105, 2 folds, SB raises to t450, BB raises to t500 all in, UTG+2 calls t395 all in, 1 fold, SB calls t50 all in
Flop: (t1605) Q 8 T (3 players - 3 are all in)
Turn: (t1605) 6 (3 players - 3 are all in)
River: (t1605) A (3 players - 3 are all in)
Final Pot: t1605
SB shows 4 A 3 2 (a pair of Aces)
BB shows Q A 9 5 (two pair, Aces and Queens)
UTG+2 shows K K 5 7 (a pair of Kings)
BB wins t1605
So i played 5 micro MTT yesterday and min cashed in all of them had 3STT won 2 came 3rd in the 3rd one. Reviewed my note taking methods and colour coding ranges for muppets and decent players. I slapped myself out of the cards im dealt being anything but 2 cards after the flop unless im decently ahead of the board or connected solidly with outs.
Put some music on loud this morning along with fresh brewed coffee and started up 6 tables with a positive attitude and thinking like a poker player not an aggrotard.
My stats averaged 17/12 for most tables depending on the action and how many green orange or yellow in the mix. Deep stacked russian fish with stats of 70/6 to my right on 2 tables that also had a bluffing range of an uno card and professor plum helped.
River: ($1.65) 5 (3 players)
SB bets $3.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.59, BTN folds
Results: $8.83 pot ($0.37 rake)
Final Board: 6 9 7 K 5
BTN mucked and lost (-$0.55 net)
SB showed 8 Q and won $8.46 ($4.32 net)
Hero showed 6 6 and lost (-$4.14 net)
BTN was agressive so I preferred not to donk and let him bet...but maybe a raise on the flop would be better than just calling? Also, I don't know what action to take on the turn. Should I lead or let him 2nd barrel? River is an OBVIOUS FOLD but I was 4-tabling and didn't realize only an 8 was missing to complete the straight. I've happily clicked the "call" button only to review the board some microseconds later and seeing that I made a damn horrible mistake...at SD time I knew the 8 was in his hand. meh
Got my kings cracked by queens too btw to add for today's whining...
Going well today so far. Relaxed clear headed thinking poker. I think the fact i have a good note and coloring system now is helping. Colour a player up after 100 hands as a provisional and review them every 500 hands or so to see if anything changes on the stats to put them solidly in a colour grouping. Also playing my 2-4k hands in groups of 400-500 hands for an hour or so and then breaking off for MTT STT or a movie and coffee seem to be helping the cause.
[x] Fish maybe on the start of a heater? (101 bb/100 wtf)
Last edited by Mike Oxlong; 02-19-2012 at 03:38 AM.