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02-18-2012 , 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raikkonen3
You're honestly folding to a flop raise? I can pick out many hands in my HH that show fish doing this with A9 here, I can merit folding to a shove but I ain't ever folding to a raise here. He does seem passive but it's only ten hands, I honestly believe at 2NL it would be -EV to fold to flop raises with an overpair everytime in this kind of situation.
You'll find that you are often folding the best hand and losing your 15c. You'll also find that often enough you are way behind and get stacked.
02-18-2012 , 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mortein
woot longest session I've played non stop, why coz I wanted that last $3 so I could move up, the one that should of done it I flop a set xr, jam turn and he calls with his 4 outer and hits the bastard, I had to sit for another 1.5hours during that time I went down again with some coolers/suckouts, but kept going and tomorrow if I play its nl5 otherwise Monday
Everytime im near shot taking I always end up going 1 bi early, i'd have been playing 5nl today lol

Srsly though, as its the weekend, take your shot now, dont start a new limit on a monday!
02-18-2012 , 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chad0x00
Bet bigger pre, fold to his flop raise.
I don't fold to the min-raise, bigger pre though for sure, call the min-raise and play for a small pot imo, but I also call off the shove as played b/c its 2nl and he turns up with worse than KK's enough imo

EDIT: He's also an unknown at 2nl, idiot til proven otherwise imo so just get it in
02-18-2012 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepeeleo
I don't fold to the min-raise, bigger pre though for sure, call the min-raise and play for a small pot imo, but I also call off the shove as played b/c its 2nl and he turns up with worse than KK's enough imo

EDIT: He's also an unknown at 2nl, idiot til proven otherwise imo so just get it in
agreed, plus he limped from the button and had $1 left...prolly a fish. he may do the same with A9 or TT-QQ. I wouldn't fold it either
02-18-2012 , 12:04 PM
I'm pretty sure you can just fold the flop and be right most of the time. Otherwise you will get stacked a lot vs sets.Fish are passive, not aggressive.
02-18-2012 , 12:46 PM
I think in the end it's going to be pretty neutral EV - some fish are aggro but this one defintiely seemed to more passive after 10 hands. If i played it again now I'd probably call raise and if a T, J, Q, K, A drops and he's still aggressive then I'd lay it down since fish with a 9 would play scared once an overcard falls.
02-18-2012 , 01:52 PM
My return didn't go as well as planned, seriously tilting now. I'd been playing pretty nitty tbh all session, laying down quite a lot of good hands. Eventually get top two and get stacked off nut straight - sick of the coolers (only ended down $1.5 because apart from that big hand I played well). Got a couple of hands where I layed down big hands and wondered how you's would play these:

    [hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11910402

    UTG: $1.07 (53.5 bb)
    MP: $2 (100 bb)
    CO: $0.78 (39 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $5.15 (257.5 bb)
    SB: $5.74 (287 bb)
    BB: $0.91 (45.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q T
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, SB calls $0.03, BB calls $0.02

    Flop: ($0.16) Q A T (4 players)
    SB bets $0.02, BB raises to $0.26, CO calls $0.26, [color="grey"]Hero???


    BB is fairly aggro player running at 26/16/8.5AF, CO is huge fish at 93/39/2.4AF. SB is LAG at 60/40/4.0.

    I layed this down because figured I could be behind to a lot of hands and if not then I can easily get outdrawn on since it's such a draw heavy board. Probably another neutral ev spot because I can be ahead of so much but behind a lot too.


    Next hand:

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11910442

      SB: $0.74 (37 bb)
      BB: $1.33 (66.5 bb)
      UTG: $0.88 (44 bb)
      MP: $2.78 (139 bb)
      CO: $1.98 (99 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $5.18 (259 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
      UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB raises to $0.26, BB calls $0.24, UTG calls $0.24, Hero folds

      Flop: ($0.86) 7 2 A (3 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.06, UTG folds, SB calls $0.06

      Turn: ($0.98) 7 (2 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.08, SB calls $0.08

      River: ($1.14) J (2 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.02, SB raises to $0.34 and is all-in, BB folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $1.18 pot ($0.04 rake)
      Final Board: 7 2 A 7 J
      SB mucked and won $1.14 ($0.72 net)
      BB mucked and lost (-$0.42 net)



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      SB is 15/15/1AF
      BB is 55/8/2.5AF
      UTG is 58/8/1AF

      SB definitely has a hand, do I shove here? His range is JJ,QQ,KK,AA,AK imo so I guess it's a shove especially since if I get both fish along I'm likely to win the side pot. In hindsight this was a bad fold but I never realised how little everyone had behind and I was mroe thinking of flatting - I should of payed more attention to stack sizes. This is a pretty standard shove though yeah?
      02-18-2012 , 01:58 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by raikkonen3
      If i played it again now I'd probably call raise and if a T, J, Q, K, A drops and he's still aggressive then I'd lay it down since fish with a 9 would play scared once an overcard falls.
      That would be how I'd play it too. Though, laying it down on a K would be a little nitty, even for BQ.
      02-18-2012 , 02:03 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by zumby
      That would be how I'd play it too. Though, laying it down on a K would be a little nitty, even for BQ.
      Hahahaha yeah I wasn't really paying attention there haha, I'd have to agree with you there! :P
      02-18-2012 , 02:05 PM
      Incidentally, a few days ago I went through my DB looking at flop minraises for rainbow and flush draw boards. Here's the breakdown:




      So on a rainbow flop I've generally been up against a stronger range than on drawy flops, but there's still a decent amount of weak hands turning up.

      Last edited by zumby; 02-18-2012 at 02:07 PM. Reason: nb: was around 200 samples, but around 150 were on wet boards, just fyi
      02-18-2012 , 04:56 PM
      Last time I told you I was about to move up to 4nl 6max (from 2nl full ring). Well here are my first 3k hands, not bad so far, still getting used to 6max and new player pool. I don't feel I'm making too much mistakes pre, but I feel I'm still missing value post.. working on it.....



      02-18-2012 , 06:12 PM
      Dear God

      This is not the sort of day of backdoor action I was hoping for.

      Regards
      Z
      02-18-2012 , 08:56 PM
      raikkonen3

      1st hand hmm, SB probably has some Ax type hand, BB looks like he wants to get his stack in with that raise it a bit much even for FD so maybe he did flop a straight or set of tens, I dunno I'd probably dump it myself too

      2nd hand, I'd definitely at least call, and raise the flop or turn, but really I'd prefer to 4bet preflop and get it all in
      02-18-2012 , 10:11 PM
      mwahaha



      Poker Stars $57.67+$2.33 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Hero (BTN/SB): t1280 64 BBs
      BB: t1720 86 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with A A 8 K
      Hero raises to t50, BB calls t30

      Flop: (t100) 3 4 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t75, BB calls t75

      Turn: (t250) A (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t187, BB raises to t400, Hero raises to t1155 all in, BB calls t755

      River: (t2560) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Final Pot: t2560
      Hero shows A A 8 K (four of a kind, Aces)
      BB shows 2 5 3 3 (four of a kind, Threes)
      Hero wins t2560
      02-18-2012 , 10:13 PM
      Bluffing at NL5...you are not doing it right


        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11911132

        Hero (BB): $6.91 (138.2 bb)
        UTG: $11.28 (225.6 bb)
        MP: $8.97 (179.4 bb)
        CO: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
        BTN: $5 (100 bb)
        SB: $6.25 (125 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 9
        4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

        Flop: ($0.10) 5 9 9 (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.30

        Turn: ($0.90) Q (2 players)
        SB bets $0.86, Hero calls $0.86

        River: ($2.62) 3 (2 players)
        SB bets $2.51, Hero calls $2.51

        Results: $7.64 pot ($0.32 rake)
        Final Board: 5 9 9 Q 3
        Hero showed 8 9 and won $7.32 ($3.50 net)
        SB showed J 7 and lost (-$3.82 net)



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        02-18-2012 , 10:18 PM
        ^^ Why do you not raise ?
        02-18-2012 , 10:30 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
        ^^ Why do you not raise ?
        I preferred to control the pot, since my hand was still vulnerable and I could fold to a river shove if he decided to go broke (I'm not calling that). Plus, if I'm raising turn, he would probably fold or go all-in, putting me into a tough spot. Kinda "monsters under the bed" syndrom, I know.
        02-18-2012 , 11:38 PM
        That awkward moment you realize you regged into the wrong tourney:


        Poker Stars $6.70+$0.30 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1644212
        DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

        Hero (BTN): t500 16.67 BBs
        SB: t500 16.67 BBs
        BB: t500 16.67 BBs
        UTG: t500 16.67 BBs
        UTG+1: t500 16.67 BBs
        UTG+2: t500 16.67 BBs
        MP1: t500 16.67 BBs
        MP2: t500 16.67 BBs
        CO: t500 16.67 BBs

        Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with 6 4 J 8
        2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t105, 1 fold, MP2 calls t105, 2 folds, SB raises to t450, BB raises to t500 all in, UTG+2 calls t395 all in, 1 fold, SB calls t50 all in

        Flop: (t1605) Q 8 T (3 players - 3 are all in)

        Turn: (t1605) 6 (3 players - 3 are all in)

        River: (t1605) A (3 players - 3 are all in)

        Final Pot: t1605
        SB shows 4 A 3 2 (a pair of Aces)
        BB shows Q A 9 5 (two pair, Aces and Queens)
        UTG+2 shows K K 5 7 (a pair of Kings)
        BB wins t1605
        02-19-2012 , 12:38 AM
        So i played 5 micro MTT yesterday and min cashed in all of them had 3STT won 2 came 3rd in the 3rd one. Reviewed my note taking methods and colour coding ranges for muppets and decent players. I slapped myself out of the cards im dealt being anything but 2 cards after the flop unless im decently ahead of the board or connected solidly with outs.

        Put some music on loud this morning along with fresh brewed coffee and started up 6 tables with a positive attitude and thinking like a poker player not an aggrotard.

        My stats averaged 17/12 for most tables depending on the action and how many green orange or yellow in the mix. Deep stacked russian fish with stats of 70/6 to my right on 2 tables that also had a bluffing range of an uno card and professor plum helped.

        This be the result

        02-19-2012 , 01:11 AM
        wow, played this hand so badly I'd say I deserved losing a BI.

          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11915892

          BTN: $2.73 (54.6 bb)
          SB: $4.14 (82.8 bb)
          Hero (BB): $6.89 (137.8 bb)
          MP: $5.57 (111.4 bb)
          CO: $14.10 (282 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 6
          2 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.10

          Flop: ($0.45) 6 9 7 (3 players)
          SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

          Turn: ($1.65) K (3 players)
          SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

          River: ($1.65) 5 (3 players)
          SB bets $3.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.59, BTN folds

          Results: $8.83 pot ($0.37 rake)
          Final Board: 6 9 7 K 5
          BTN mucked and lost (-$0.55 net)
          SB showed 8 Q and won $8.46 ($4.32 net)
          Hero showed 6 6 and lost (-$4.14 net)



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          BTN was agressive so I preferred not to donk and let him bet...but maybe a raise on the flop would be better than just calling? Also, I don't know what action to take on the turn. Should I lead or let him 2nd barrel? River is an OBVIOUS FOLD but I was 4-tabling and didn't realize only an 8 was missing to complete the straight. I've happily clicked the "call" button only to review the board some microseconds later and seeing that I made a damn horrible mistake...at SD time I knew the 8 was in his hand. meh

          Got my kings cracked by queens too btw to add for today's whining...

          But overall the session was a win at least
          02-19-2012 , 03:30 AM
          Going well today so far. Relaxed clear headed thinking poker. I think the fact i have a good note and coloring system now is helping. Colour a player up after 100 hands as a provisional and review them every 500 hands or so to see if anything changes on the stats to put them solidly in a colour grouping. Also playing my 2-4k hands in groups of 400-500 hands for an hour or so and then breaking off for MTT STT or a movie and coffee seem to be helping the cause.

          [x] Fish maybe on the start of a heater? (101 bb/100 wtf)


          Last edited by Mike Oxlong; 02-19-2012 at 03:38 AM.
          02-19-2012 , 04:19 AM
          Mike, what's your AttempToSteal% and your CBet success percentage?
          02-19-2012 , 04:46 AM
          Cbet succes 58%

          Trying to figure out how to filter ATS % on HEM2 but i know that i steal more than my share fairly successfully.
          02-19-2012 , 04:53 AM
          nice work Mike. Keep it up!
          02-19-2012 , 05:20 AM
          Lol Hyperturbos:


          Poker Stars $6.70+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds + t6 - 9 players - View hand 1644859
          DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

          BTN: t413 M = 2.87
          SB: t675 M = 4.69
          BB: t719 M = 4.99
          Hero (UTG): t443 M = 3.08
          UTG+1: t618 M = 4.29
          UTG+2: t284 M = 1.97
          MP1: t500 M = 3.47
          MP2: t363 M = 2.52
          CO: t485 M = 3.37

          Pre Flop: (t144) Hero is UTG with A A
          Hero raises to t120, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t120, 6 folds

          Flop: (t384) T 9 8 (2 players)
          Hero bets t317 all in, UTG+2 calls t158 all in

          Turn: (t700) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

          River: (t700) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

          Final Pot: t700
          Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
          UTG+2 shows 6 6 (three of a kind, Sixes)
          UTG+2 wins t700

                
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