Originally Posted by Chump Change
Oh ok, simple misunderstanding, I thought you were ruling out call as too weak tight.
In the link on the first page of the thread, where they discuss all the questions, somebody makes a decent argument that raising still has merit.
I think raising has merit. Look at it this way if villian only calls with either AA or 89 he folds all flushes, 22 and even 88.
There is 1 way villian can get AA (A
). And there are 3 ways he can have 89 (9
; and 9
). If he is only going to call you with those 4 specific hands then you beat 3/4 of them. If he folds anything worse than those 4 hands then you would have won the same amount by calling so Ill leave that out of the calculations. And to make it a little simpiler lets assume the pot is $0 when villian makes the 15K bet (since there is realitivly little in the pot compared to stacks behind).
So if you shove you are going to win $50K 3/4 of the time you are called and lose $50K 1/4 the time you are called.
I would still say shoving > Calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Folding. That assumes you are properly rolled for the game you are playing though. But when you include that he has 100% of his roll on the table then I think you cant afford to go broke with the 2nd nuts so calling > shoving>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>folding.