Warnaldo you can go **** yourself you worthless rat bastard. You think I am worse than some ****ing nut who chooses random ****!? You ****ing moron.

And metsandfinsfan, I redid the test a second time and answered all the same questions as quick as possible. Went from 81 to 89, lol..

- Coro

I dont know why the test tells me I am a damn Donator, and I really dont give a ****. Im just going to let this thread die I guess, and let it be.. maybe in the future I can put up a site to blackball this peace of **** test once and for all.

Not tonight though, maybe when I get some free time. Well Im off..

Peace

I got a 120 the first time ( like 7 months ago). Recently I retook it and got like a 109. I can't tell if it was taking more time or switching answers because until I saw these threads I was quite interested in getting the answers for what I got wrong.

Cor- there's a thread with quite a interesting discussion on this. It has like 40 pages, I'm pretty sure you're aware of it. From reading it, I think the test is mostly valid. I wish the test had more questions about different playing situations. I thought the question about 5/10 NL roll size was almost irrelevant, since some people play below what they can financially afford, and therefore never care about bankrolls. Some of the things I missed were due to very close mathematical calculations or I wasn't considering one or two givens described in the question. If you're missing some of the major questions where the answer depends on your knowledge of theory(position,stack size, playing styles,net expectation,etc) you should read the thread through. I found it very helpful.

Yes its all well and good, and as I and others have said before, if you do well at the test you are probably a good player but if you dont do well it doesn't necessarily mean you are not!

If a damn imbecile who knows practically nothing about the game can choose random answers and do much better than me something is serisously wrong with the test.. serisously wrong..

Thanks for the response though...

- Coro

I don't know why I'm wasting my time; maybe it's to show others something. But, in the spirit of being helpful, I wanted to point out a couple of things. First, you've dismissed probably the best post in here as a 'pathetic post'. It was pointing you to something you were asking for--the reasoning behind the answers to the test. I'd strongly suggest you look through that thread in detail. I think you have a lot to learn about poker. You might be a winning player, but it seems if that is true, it's through things other than logic and mathematics, and the donkey test tests exactly that, math and logic.

Someone who doesn't understand basic concepts about position (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=112486) and probability (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=110902) will not do well on this test. Now, I'm not saying you can't learn, but you seem to have closed yourself off from trying, instead just getting terribly angry at the 'slight' that some random online test gave you.

My advice to you is to keep an open mind, don't get defensive, ask questions, and LISTEN AND LEARN. If you're a winner now, you'll get even better. You did seem to get the answers to the questions in those other threads, so I think there's hope that you'll try to learn instead of shout down a test that seems to give accurate results.

Shane

Shane.. shane.. shane... Im going to try to be as nice as possible without going over the top here, ok?

I really, am going to try.. Ok... Here We Go..

Your a jackass.. plain and simple.. I could go on a tangent and call you every name in the book but Im not going to.. I want to, but Im not going to.. ok, shane?

Your a complete and utter jackass, at the least.. here is why..

I have an IQ of over 120.. A REAL IQ YOU MORON, not some ****ing stupid poker test. I understand math and logic probably 10,000 times better then you do, I calculate pot odds, implied odds, and even reverse implied odds on occasion when I feel its appropriate.. you got that shaney boy?

You got that through your thick ****ing head? I understand position, probabilities, and everything your little pee brain mind can think of. So heres to you big man, and with the best of luck to you, you buster ass mother****er. Hope to see you at the tables soon. I think you'd soon regret it!

Have a nice night, shane. Really I mean it!

This thread should die IMO.

Lucky

Wow, I knew you'd probably go there. OK, first, if you really need to compare epeens, I don't think I have taken an IQ test I can really say measured mine correctly--the only one I remember said 156 (or near there) but that's because it was the top of the chart (ie, I didn't get a question wrong) and thus it really isn't accurate. So your 120's nice...

And no, you don't understand math and probability 10,000 times better than I do. In case you need proof, I minored in Math, got a Master's in Physics, and a Ph.D. in Economics. Yeah, I'm probably a moron when it comes to math and logic. You're right. (Note, in case you take umbrage to something said there, I'm not saying you don't know math.)

Oh, and way to throw out random terms to make yourself look smarter. Overcompensating?

Anyway, I know I was a bit harsh, but I was trying to be nice. It's like all those people on AI, who get told by people 'you're a good singer' just so they don't hurt the singer's feelings. Then they get a false sense of ability, and go in front of the judges and sing horribly.

The first step in learning is figuring out what you don't know. Then you can use your '120 IQ' to improve on it. I was trying to get you to see that, but as I thought, the effort seems to be wasted.

Shane

Please shane.. just stop.. I dont really care anymore.. and I agree that the thread should probably just die.. doesn't even matter anymore.. I posted my answers and if no one can CLEARLY STATE WHAT WAS WRONG to give me a score like that, then all the naysayers can kiss my ass.

And shane.. how the hell do you know what kind of degrees I have..? Hm..? Oh thats right.. YOU DONT! I dont really give a **** what you think of my poker playing ability you waste of skin, or if you try or dont try to sugarcoat things.. I win at poker, know my odds and outs, play solid, and do well you piece of trash.

So good night! And adios!

- Coro

Two quick things, then I give up. First, I was explaining how you couldn't know math and logic 10,000 times better than I do--what your degrees (if any) are in don't matter.

Second, you were provided with exactly what you were asking for, in that link to a thread with all the questions, and an in-depth discussion about the answers. Sorry if noone wants to do your work for you, but the resources are there, and have been pointed out.

But I knew any helpfulness from me (even if admidittly a bit harsh--from your dismissal of previous posters, I thought it needed to be) would be greeted with insults and brags from you. In the end, it's your decision. Face reality and figure out your weakness and learn from them and how to strengthen them, or continue deluding yourself about your abilities. That's a decision we all need to make, and it is hard to face one's weaknesses, but you'll be better from doing so.

Ok, last post on this ****.. going to you big Shane..

I have said it before, and will say it one last time.. THE TEST YOU LAUD SO GREATLY IS A PEACE OF ****.. LIKE YOU SHANE! LIKE YOU! So it means nothing.. nothing.. you ****ing moron.. nothing! Got that? And guess what, the consensus is in bud! Check it out.

62% - 38%

In what you may ask?

Take a guess..

Good night shane and I wish you the best luck.

- Coro

If you're already successful at poker, you want to have a lot of flaws. Then you have somewhere to improve.

It'd suck if you were a decent winner but had nowhere to improve... don't you think?

I don't get why you're so hung up on your score, if you really think it's bogus just don't worry about it. We don't know you personally, we're giving our honest opinions about it and you can choose to take that advice or not. Whether it is unkind or poorly said is irrelevant.

And about your poll, first off you have a pretty small sample... 35 people represents like .01% of this community. I think if you posed this same question and poll on the low, medium, or high stakes forums the answers and poll results would be much different.

You should probably start playing 400 and 600 dollar buy-in NL to prove to everyone that you're good.

QFT! 1k NL is pretty soft too. Anyone with a 120 real IQ shouldn't have a problem winning.

You know, there's one thing I've learned in my time on this earth and I have a nugget of wisdom for you.

There are 2 types of geniuses in this world (trust me my IQ is about 24 points higher then yours, top 0.5% ish) those who are smart enough to realize that not everyone has the brain power that you do and adapt. And those that go through life feeling that everyone else is stupid. My biological father who is a mensa member has this attitude about life.

If you continue on this way you are going to be a miserable person and you are shutting out so many good experiences and knowledge by discounting everything since your IQ is "higher". I think this attitude shines through in your post in this thread as everyone has done nothing but offer assistance and I have seen nothing constructive from you other then ranting about how everyone is stupid and your a "winning player"

I mentioned this earlier but as I have learned in my time here at 2+2 (lurking lonnng before posting) this is the BEST resource of information with the most knowledgeable people on SO MANY TOPICS poker and otherwise. If you ask a question, you will receive an answer granted it may not be what you want to hear (truth hurts eh?).

If you are not willing to help yourself then the great resources of this site are simply wasted on you and better used elsewhere, this advice I offer not only to you but every new and lurking member of this forum. Everyone in this forum is always saying to post your hands, stats, problem situations and so forth so that you can IMPROVE your game. If your satisfied with your current situation in poker and you have no willingness to listen to any advice, no desire to post anything constructive or have others review your play so that you can improve overall as a player maybe your time is better spent elsewhere?

<I apologize for the long rantyness as is late and I just got off work, but people not willing to use the extremely good information within 2+2 are sort of a sore spot with me>

Did anyone score much HIGHER than the limits they play would indicate?

I mostly play limit, but i recently started playing NL. Right now i'm playing $25 6 max.

I scored a 127 which so according to this i'm a winning player at 200-600 NL (i wish!). I did not cheat, or read the questions, and then speed take it later. I took it straight up and scored pretty high, and i have no idea how.

I have most of the 2+2 books, and I've played limit a long time. Do you think this could skew the results? Or maybe i know the theory and suck at the tables?

This is just pretty strange so i'm wondering if i just luckboxed it or what. This happen to anyone else?

[QUOTE=JSampras1;2462539]Did anyone score much HIGHER than the limits they play would indicate?


I scored a little higher on my initial score...

made me feel good for about 2 seconds, then realized it just proves im a nit at heart who will never move up in stakes

i took it the first time and got 127...then when i read the time factored in, i took it again and sped through it and got a 136

Ive never sat online higher than 3/6 limit or 1/2 NL
never sat higher live at 5/10 limit or 2/4 NL

and i know i shouldnt do this, but i cant resist. coro youre being immature and making yourself sound dumb. Do you really want us to grade your test for you?

Not surprisingly you got the easiest question on there wrong


answer number 1 you chose 27off

thats wrong. 23o is worse if youre opponent will call with ATC.

The reason 27o is the "worst hand in holdem" applies only to full ring bc no str8/flush opportunities...its showdown value is greater than 23o against a random hand. If you were as good at math as you claim, pokerstove would have taught you this

your next few answers (2-5 were also all wrong)

Q2
you chose option #1 which is open limping KJo UTG at 5/10 NL when new to the table
wrong. KJo is an automuck from 1st position at a 9 handed table (as a default, unless were thinking metagame and i doubt you know what that is)


q3
you chose option #1 Fold
this one was close, but again you were wrong.

1500+200+200+1=2k in pot and have to call 1300 Tens against the given range 10-AA, Ak, Aq (also you dont know hes this tight as a fact if you read the question closely)
Basically you have equity to call


q4
this is another easy one you got wrong
Its costing a lil over 1k per orbit with blinds of 200/400 ante of 50
3 limps in front of you (including the UTG limper whom youve seen limp fold on mutliple occasions)
your stack is 4k in the sb
This is an autoshove The pot is 1050+1200=2205 If you ever can shove and have everyone fold you increase your stack by 50%
oh and you just happen to have A8, a much better hand than you need to make this move
Im not gonna stove it, but if this breakdown doesnt explain it, then invest in pstove as well as HOH1,2, and 3

q5
again you chose the wrong answer (fold)
This is an easy call
your stack 14k
200/400 blinds 25ante
folded to you in CO, you open for 1200 with A9, button fold
sb moves in, making it 4k total, bb folds
4k+400+1200+225=5825 and you have to put in 2800
should be obvious A9 has a high enough Win% against his range (e.g. some form of real hand 22-AA, A5-AK, kq...which is prolly too tight of arange anyways)

the above post was made no less than entire week after the post he made below

Everyone enjoy. Because this is quite funny.

Listen Im done with you *******s.. not everyone here is an a-hole.. just a nice chunk.. you get that at every forum.. Regardless, I fell somewhat insulted when some POS tells me, a grown man with an IQ of over 120, in the 95%ile that I dont know math or logic.. I really dont care if your IQ is higher, if it was that high you would realize from reading literature that an IQ over 120 means practically nothing.. but Im not going to get into that, and I would not want to do so with me, as I have extensive research and a long time of learning to back that up.

My point here is simple. The test was wrong for me.. that simple, you can deny it to your blue in the face.. doesn't make a ****ing difference.. none.. zip zap nadda! Doesn't make a lick of difference to me, or the other people that win at playing NL, be it low stakes or higher stakes. Dont care if you posted my previous posts.. means nothing.. why? Because I am a winning player.. plain and simple.. I have proof to back that up.. if you want it I will provide it.

And heres one more little thing for you einsteins.. GOOD PLAYER = PLAYER THAT MAKES GOOD MONEY AT THE GAME! THATS IT.. OVER.. END OF STORY, DONE, GOT IT? Thats what most everybody with an IQ over 2 would believe and if you dont, your are truly a great example of an ignoramus. Its all relative.. RELATIVE YOU DIM WITS! RELATIVE! KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? LOOK IT UP!

Now that Im done.. I have one last thing to say..

All tests are ****, with few exceptions. They test only what the want to test.. Ah the Great IQ fallacy pops up again eh..? I dont care what my IQ is, means nothing to me, just a number.. what matter are results, which I have, believe me or dont, thats something thats up to you.. again I have proof that I am a great WINNER ONLINE AND OFF. I can back up my claims.. can you..?

Im done here.. if theres something that you dont understand, Im sorry, but this is all there is to say.. I leave the rest to you..

Again good day, and best of luck.

- Coro

don't you want us to tell you what the button is all about before you leave?

i just love how he begged for someone to explain to him why his choices were wrong, which i did...(after marking the first 5 wrong i got bored) and he still refuses to acknowledge anything about my points relative to the poker hands, but what can we expect from someone who has posts asking what the button is one week, and one week later claiming to be a winning player ....god I wish there was a way to let the NVG or BBV guys see this

Hell, Coro had another post dealing with the old AA all in preflop in a cash game and was convinced that if he was gonna get called all in perflop by 5 people, bc he was a 49% chance of winning that he should in theory fold the hand. Just wow

I guess for all your math expertise you never took a course in stats? Even my rich fish uncle knows to never fold AA in that spot.

As usual nothing but insults.. I expect nothing less.. nothing but ad hominem attacks. Sure I attacked your guys character and will continue to do so, but at least I offered something more to say you nitwits.

Peace, and enjoy bathing in your own **** you ****ing monkeys!

- Coro

are you not going to respond to the post i made pointing out why your answers #1 through #5 were wrong? or do you still think 27o is the worst hand in a heads up game where your opp will call you with any two cards?