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02-20-2010 , 09:37 PM
After I stack someone, I usually leave shortly after because I do not know how to play deep stacked very well. What are some general rules/differences between 100bb and 200bb + stacks? I am a winning player and so far it hasn't bothered me, but I would like to be sitting with like 3+ buy ins at a table sometimes and not just leave lol.
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02-20-2010 , 09:56 PM
You have bigger implied odds, and you can play more hands because calling a 3bb raise with 200+bbs isn't a huge amount of your stack, so you have more room postflop.

Don't forget that you're only deep against other depstacks. No reason to leave a good table if the bad players have 100bb stacks, just try to stay out of pots with players you're uncomfortable playing for 200bbs with.

Nothing like being at a table with a deep fish though.
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02-20-2010 , 10:47 PM
My knowledge of SPR is quite basic and "common sense" based.

Let's consider three situations.

Quote:
UTG: $25.00
MP: $25.00
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $10.00
SB: $25.00
BB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) K 4 6
Hero bets $2, CO raises all-in to $9
Effective stacks are $9
Pot is $2.35
9 / 2.35 = ~4. This is considered a low SPR.

Quote:
UTG: $25.00
MP: $25.00
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $25.00
SB: $25.00
BB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) K 4 6
Hero bets $2, CO raises to $9
Effective stacks are $24
Pot is $2.35
24 / 2.35 = ~10. This is considered a medium SPR.

Quote:
UTG: $25.00
MP: $25.00
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $50.00
SB: $25.00
BB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) K 4 6
Hero bets $2, CO raises to $9
Effective stacks are $49
Pot is $2.35
49 / 2.35 = ~20. This is considered a high SPR.

Essentially, as SPR increases, we're less happy playing for stacks with TPTK. In hand 1, at 40bb deep, we're probably going to be fairly comfortable getting stacks in on the flop. In hand 3 we're usually crushed by villains range for stacking off at 200bb deep so we'll often want to try to take a pot controlling line.

Different hands play better with different SPR's because SPR directly affects implied odds and fold equity, so as SPR increases, speculative hands which can create nut draws tend to increase in value while lower strength one pair type hands become more difficult to play. When SPR is low, and implied odds and fold equity are minimal, speculative drawing hands become difficult to play profitably because there's less money to make when we hit, and less room for semi-bluffing/bluffing to be profitable when we don't.

Essentially, as stacks increase in depth, you need to adjust by taking cautious lines with one/two-pair type hands, whilst taking advantage of playing in a situation where speculative hands have a lot of room to manouver.

If you feel that you have an edge at your table playing for 100bb, your edge at 200bb+ should increase. As much as you might think you suck at playing deepstacked, your opponents almost certainly suck more.

Last edited by Jamie Goldeen; 02-20-2010 at 10:56 PM.
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02-21-2010 , 12:14 AM
Your stack is a tool to separate the other players from their money. If you're deep and they're deep too that gives you a lot of room for fancy plays and you can win more if you stack them with a better hand.

Don't think of it in terms of how it affects your overall bank roll as long as you have the proper amount of buy-ins. Just think of it as how it affects your ability to play a winning hand. If you're very good at playing the turn and river you wanna have a deep stack because most players are weak when it comes to turn and river play. You'll have a big edge and make a lot of money.
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02-21-2010 , 12:22 AM
win or lose bigger
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02-21-2010 , 12:52 AM
ability to run huge sick bluffs when you're super deep
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02-21-2010 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by vlee89
ability to run huge sick bluffs when you're super deep
Ha ha ha.

Not this.


It usually doesn't matter that much to be honest, unless another villain has a big stack.

In those situations I like to try and pick on the other big stacks, as they are likely to not want drama or to push small edges.

Against shortstacks, I find they will check call with a worse range than usual.
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02-21-2010 , 07:49 AM
Once you get deep your draws become worth that much more. When someone has 500 BB behind turning that gut shot can be worth tons! It basically changes it from a preflop and flop game to a turn and river game.
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02-21-2010 , 10:05 AM
Excellent thread....
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