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Did my Aces get cracked? Did my Aces get cracked?

09-20-2013 , 01:12 PM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 106.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 270.5 BB (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
BTN: 71.5 BB (VPIP: 47.83, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
Hero (SB): 163.5 BB
BB: 155 BB (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
UTG: 176.5 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 14.49, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 142)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 3 Q J
Hero bets 10 BB, UTG calls 10 BB

Turn: (39 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 37 BB, UTG calls 37 BB

River: (113 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG bets 107.5 BB, fold

Hero mucks A A (One Pair, Aces)
UTG wins 109 BB


He took a good while to call on the turn, and when that K came out i thought i was done..

I probably should've bet heavier on the flop..
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09-20-2013 , 01:18 PM
Easy fold for me.

I will probably bet 11-12BB otf.
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09-20-2013 , 01:39 PM
This is what can happen when you play deep stacked out of position. IMO, it's a very easy fold when he makes that bet sizing on the river. No one and I repeat no one at these limits is betting 90% of their stack on the river as a bluff. He's purposefully sized his bet to put you exactly all-in - what does that tell you about the strength of his hand?

He would check behind all one pair hands, even two pairs and sets on this board (but these hands have you beat anyway), so it's a question of whether he has a ten or not and like I say with that bet sizing, it's clearly obvious he has a ten here.
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09-20-2013 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MultiTabling
This is what can happen when you play deep stacked out of position. IMO, it's a very easy fold when he makes that bet sizing on the river. No one and I repeat no one at these limits is betting 90% of their stack on the river as a bluff. He's purposefully sized his bet to put you exactly all-in - what does that tell you about the strength of his hand?

He would check behind all one pair hands, even two pairs and sets on this board (but these hands have you beat anyway), so it's a question of whether he has a ten or not and like I say with that bet sizing, it's pretty damn obvious he has a ten here.
yeah i dont really like playing OOP, but im not going to fold aces lol

So hard to put someone on T when i've 3bet fairly heavy pf

Is it time i move up stakes to not get donked like this? I'll probably still get donked at .2/.5 but hopefully not as much?
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09-20-2013 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MultiTabling
He's purposefully sized his bet to put you exactly all-in - what does that tell you about the strength of his hand?
FWIW, I use this bet size often as a bluff, precisely because of the fact that it looks so strong.

Good fold obviously. UTG open range smooth calls the 3bet IP; his hand range does really well on this board. Bet more OTF, probably 60-75%, but otherwise done with the hand under most circumstances.
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09-20-2013 , 03:24 PM
Fold looks good to me.
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09-20-2013 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Thej92
yeah i dont really like playing OOP, but im not going to fold aces lol

So hard to put someone on T when i've 3bet fairly heavy pf

Is it time i move up stakes to not get donked like this? I'll probably still get donked at .2/.5 but hopefully not as much?
Nah the board just ran out bad for you. I would put him on a hand like AT, KT, QT, TT. If the turn and river were blanks (something like 7 6, 2 4, 8 2 etc.), I would bet the river for value or check/call river.

You could move up in stakes if you have the bankroll and think you're skilled enough *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by KraventheHunter
FWIW, I use this bet size often as a bluff, precisely because of the fact that it looks so strong.

Good fold obviously. UTG open range smooth calls the 3bet IP; his hand range does really well on this board. Bet more OTF, probably 60-75%, but otherwise done with the hand under most circumstances.
You would be difficult to play against then But I think 99% of players at these limits aren't doing this as a bluff in this spot, ever. And board texture hits a typical UTG range hard like you say, so AA beats basically nothing here when villain calls a big turn bet and puts him all in on the river. Also with that bet, it works best as a bluff against a thinking player and on the right boards.
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09-20-2013 , 04:19 PM
make it a bit larger pre.
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09-21-2013 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Thej92
Is it time i move up stakes to not get donked like this? I'll probably still get donked at .2/.5 but hopefully not as much?
Wtf? Yup, that'll help. Might as well make it .10/.25 for good measure.
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09-21-2013 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by gamma001
make it a bit larger pre.
+1

b/f river
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09-21-2013 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Thej92
yeah i dont really like playing OOP, but im not going to fold aces lol

So hard to put someone on T when i've 3bet fairly heavy pf

Is it time i move up stakes to not get donked like this? I'll probably still get donked at .2/.5 but hopefully not as much?
Good fold, and no moving up won't really stop that from happening.
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09-21-2013 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by noobis
+1

b/f river
wayyyy too thin, easy c/f
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09-21-2013 , 12:31 PM
Thanks for the advice guys.

with moving up, i've built my roll from $20 to $95 but had a fair few bad beats past 2 days and have dropped to about $80. Might stick with .1/.2 till i get back to around $100 and move up. I'd like AT LEAST 20buyins..

Thanks again
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09-21-2013 , 12:58 PM
Youre barrelling the wettest of wet flops followed by a crushing turn card. Is AA EVER good here??
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09-21-2013 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KraventheHunter
FWIW, I use this bet size often as a bluff, precisely because of the fact that it looks so strong.
Out of curiosity how often do you get called? Do you look for certain characteristics of the villain before deciding whether or not to try the bluff?

I ask because that bet size would have to succeed about 60% of the time to show a long-term significant profit.
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09-22-2013 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by noobis
+1

b/f river
+1
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09-23-2013 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sheepskin
Youre barrelling the wettest of wet flops followed by a crushing turn card. Is AA EVER good here??
At 2nl?

Yeah, a lot. I've often seen villains go broke with AQ/AJ type hands on that flop. On the turn villain can still be drawing. River was a sound fold.
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