Hi 2+2,

First thread/first post

I have been lurking 2+2 for the past couple months but I haven't actually posted anything yet. I just recently started playing 2nl and 5nl so I am still trying to figure everything out.


Today, I was having a decent session until this hand came up.






Obviously I don't like the result but should I be folding when I get raised on the flop? If I call then what would I do on the turn? Check/fold sounds a little weak and I am not sure if shoving the turn is the best play either.

I decided to shove all-in but due to my experience I am uncertain how to read the min-raise from the villain. How much credit can I give him here? Does he have to have a monster or can I include AK AQ and draws in his range?

If anybody with experience at these stakes can offer insight on what my reads/plan should be for this situation it would be appreciated.

My limited stats (40 hands) for the villain were:
VPIP: 34
PFR: 10
AF: 1.0

Thanks

yep

I would raise more pf, and this is def fine. Calling sucks cause were going to be lost on so many turn cards and folding here's just to nitty at 5nl with no reads imo

It is either shove or fold, you can't call here. Calling commits you anyway so you may as well get it in when you are ahead of his draws. With no reads I probably prefer the shove to the fold as he may be playing a draw aggressively or overplaying something like AQ. When out of position calling a raise just puts you in a terrible spot as you are in no mans land on the turn.

Thank you for the responses.

During the hand I included AQ and the possible str8 and flush draws in my reads and decided to shove. But my inexperience and the fact that he raised the minimum made me think that I had his range too big. Now it looks like I made the right play because folding is too nitty.

FTSITTTD, how much would you raise here preflop?

Pre-flop, your 3-bet size should be 3 times the open + 1 more multiple for each caller.
There were two callers of the open-raise so should bet 5 times the raise. That makes 40c, so not a huge difference from your 36c, but that extra 4c can make the difference between getting heads up (ideal with a big pair) or multiway (far from ideal, when a single ace on the flop could crush you).
Getting min-raised on the flop in a 3-bet pot is often a set. I often make the min-raise play when I flop middle set and want villain to either spaz or call my turn shove with his overpair. Overpairs are so hard to fold, so I can't blame you for shoving the flop. You'd have got all in on the blank turn anyway, so it's a bit of a cooler.

If you're going to 3bet with 3 people in the pot just make it like 50c.

Not at all man, he is going to have AQ, and a lot of other Q combinations enough of the time to justify your play. Thanks for the post!

You know good and well you did not over play it

On the flop there's 1.20 in the pot, and an effective stack of 3.97. With a good overpair on a fairly wet board, and a stack-to-pot ratio a little over 3, you should be keen to commit your stack.

I know there are going to be lots of swings but I haven't been through them yet so doubting my own play is going to happen sometimes.

Thanks for the replies. They definitely helped!

As others have said, possibly raise more pre...40-50c with others at those stakes. At those low stakes you will be up against the nut flush, straight and all kinds of Q's enough to make a push profitable. With no reads I'm never folding here.

As was the case here, so many players at those stakes can't fold ANY pocket pair pre so by betting a bit larger on the 3bet pre you get more when they miss the flop which will be most of the time.

looks fine

77 v Top10% = 42% v 58% (Pokertstove)

Your raise gave him just the right odds to call - heads up. (I stand to be corrected).

And if another plays he is till just getting the right odds to call - if BTN is playing Top15%

So as suggested a a higher raise pre-flop was probably ideal considering there wer a number of players in the hand but you still had FE on your side.

IMO a bit of a dodgy call with 77 considering there were two to play after Villain. Raise or fold for Villain, pre-flop.

However, having said that luck just played its part.

yea.

Hand is fine

Think your hand converter is a bit off.

But hand is fine, played well just raise small bit more preflop (0.40-0.45).

I'm still learning and I played this hand in the replayer to think through as if I was actually playing. I didn't cheat and look at the results.

I would have played it the same but the thing that got me stuck was the snap 2x reraise on the flop - is that how quickly they reraised?

I thought they had a AQs or a set.

The pre play seemed you were best and any A10+ is calling but I'm basing that on no reads. The Q on the flop is not a scare card which seems sets or nut flushes are calling your flop raise, which I think is a right one.

When they snap reraise, that kind of seals it. Set. But I did think he could have nut flush because sometimes these limits go crazy with nut flushes.

Hope that makes sense

i think u played it well. tough fold even if MP is a nit...agree with everyone about repopping it much bigger PF to $0.50 or $0.60 to try and isolate heads up and/or build pot with best hand. Classic situation overpair vs flopped set 3 handed...very hard to get away from even. set of 7s is well disguised. Although min raises are ususally always fishy...considering stack sizes...draw heavy board..simply put you're rarely folding two kings in that spot. IMHO. GL.

Yeah you played it fine I would say 80+ percent of the time he either has a big queen or the flush draw. Which makes you at least a slight favorite or crushing him a lot of the time. Totally standard play on the flop. Although as other said probably should 3 bet bigger.

you played it similar to how i would, just put a note on him and how he played that hand for future reference

Not really sure what happened there I use HEM and I used the forum's converter (which is powered by HEM) so I'm not sure what happened. If anybody knows what I did wrong, I would appreciate it.

No, the converter only displays the actions of the players not the speed at which they do them. The min raise was suspicious but I had no speed tells on the player.

Make it a bit more preflop. Everything else is fine.