Deep stacked facing donk bets
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 101
Hi, I am lost with facing a donk with overs and back doors. Say our button raise with two or less limpers is 98s up..we flop back door flush and straight draws with two overs, or one over. Is there a rule of thumb for implied odds in this spot?
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,689
You are in a worse situation than having an OESD, so you need better implied odds. Most of your outs only give you top pair, rather than a hand that beats a set. Many of the hands you beat with that top pair will not stick around to pay off those implied odds. Straights or flushed are ore likely to get paid off by hands that beat top pair. FO that reason I think you are better off considering direct odds.
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 13,252
There is no rule of thumb for such a generic situation. What is the board texture and positions? What stakes are you playing? What was the betsize and stacksizes? Live or online?
If a nit donks into me multiway on 652, he's often got a set, or an overpair that kills most of my outs. With 98 in that spot, I'm clicking the fold button, and it's not a close decision at all.
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 101
Ty for the reality check, been bleeding by trying to float those it seems even deepstacked.
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 5,050
BTW you can't flop one over holding 89s. Both are overs or neither or u paired up
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,937
general rule of thumb is if you catch any piece of the flop whatsoever you want to at least float, otherwise why did you play such a hand in the first place?
