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12-23-2013 , 06:41 AM
I can't really speak on how popular online is specifically, none of my mates play online. However local pub tournaments (several poker leagues) and The Star Casino is pretty popular as far as poker is concerned. There's definitely home games about also.

As far as preferences in playing time, I don't mind playing off peak (Australia's midday - 10pm or so) just because I can get so many hands on the players due to the low player pool however on peak the play seems far more spewier generally speaking.
12-23-2013 , 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OlyBrah
Poker is somewhat popular in Australia, but hardly mastered.
There's plenty of people who will have a little home game amongst their family, or go to some free poker tournaments that are good for just relaxing and such. Overall though, poker in Australia isn't popular enough for most players to become rather good at.

It sucks saying it about my own country men, but Australian's mostly suck at poker, minus a small percentage.
Ok. Is there any laws that might prevent playing? Or is it just not popular enough? Currently Australians seem to make really small % of the population playing zoom atm. There should be some other Asian fish to make playing profitable.
12-23-2013 , 06:47 AM
There's laws which are currently near impossible to enforce, but the current government is looking to change that.
12-23-2013 , 07:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
Good luck mate.

I only have to get around 800 VPPs now for the next stellar reward and that'll take about the same amount of time lol
thanks man, good luck with the stellar reward

and I look forward to hearing what you have to say for your 5k post.
12-23-2013 , 08:13 AM
Played some 2NL zoom for fun this morning on the phone so no HUD.
A common theme is short fish calling 3bets with trash then raise shoving with a pair e.g. J3o and they'll shove over your cbet with a J on the board.
Nice when you have TPTK...
Although T8s which opened UTG and called my KK 3b and rivered a straight wasn't fun.

Anyway, to 5NL.
Standard open here, standard cbet, picked up equity on turn so barrelled again.
Almost checked river but didn't want to face a calling decision. Likely a chop given the paired board I thought and didn't think worse would call

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $5.00 (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: $2.45 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (CO): $6.21
BTN: $13.22 (VPIP: 68.97, PFR: 58.62, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 31)
SB: $5.44 (VPIP: 8.82, PFR: 7.35, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 72)
BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 38)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 3 A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 9 T A
Hero bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.87, 2 players) J
Hero bets $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

River: ($1.67, 2 players) 9
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

Spoiler:
Hero shows 3 A (Two Pair, Aces and Nines) (Pre 32%, Flop 88%, Turn 82%)
BTN mucks Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Nines) (Pre 68%, Flop 12%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins $2.75


Interesting spot here. I think I fold a lot in these spots, isn't it Baluga to fold here?
However, didn't believe his line although some tards play value hands in a ******ed way and he does have those 18/7 stats who are fond of checking big hands down then bombing the river.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $6.93 (VPIP: 14.41, PFR: 12.71, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 121)
UTG: $7.02 (VPIP: 27.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
MP: $7.94 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: $6.88 (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $2.61 (VPIP: 62.07, PFR: 27.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A K

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, fold, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.97, 2 players) 2 T 8
CO checks, Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.97, 2 players) K
CO bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

River: ($3.97, 2 players) 6
CO bets $4.93 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.05 and is all-in

Spoiler:
CO shows A J (High Card, Ace) (Pre 29%, Flop 21%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows A K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 71%, Flop 79%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins $9.65
12-23-2013 , 08:20 AM
Deposited $50 on the 12th after a break because I wanted to unlock the $50 outstanding bonus that was 62% done or something. Just hit the $250 mark (incl. bonuses) which was my goal, 5 bi shot at 10NL now. As long as I don't over adjust I'm sure I'll do fine. Any advice from those that have moved up though?

Graph:

12-23-2013 , 08:24 AM
Yeah, don't overadjust and you'll do fine. Everyone's still awful, except me.
12-23-2013 , 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSS
Yeah, don't overadjust and you'll do fine. Everyone's still awful, especially me.
FYP
12-23-2013 , 08:30 AM
I'd be amazed if every reg I've come across hasn't got me marked as a solid reg/passive nit/calling station.
12-23-2013 , 08:30 AM
10nl plays no differently than 5nl. There's still nits, there's still fish who call shoves with random holdings, like this...

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $4 (40 bb)
    BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
    UTG: $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $12.15 (121.5 bb)
    Hero (CO): $19.75 (197.5 bb)
    BTN: $10 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
    UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.20, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.10, MP raises to $12.15, Hero calls $10.95, UTG calls $8.80 and is all-in

    Flop: ($34.45) 7 8 9 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: ($34.45) 4 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($34.45) 9 (3 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: $34.45 pot ($1.50 rake)
    Final Board: 7 8 9 4 9
    UTG showed K 2 and lost (-$10 net)
    MP showed K K and lost (-$12.15 net)
    Hero showed A A and won $32.95 ($20.80 net)


    There's plenty of lolbad regulars too. People will still call your 4bets with AQ, and some people will call your 4bets with hands like AK/JJ.

    The only time I think you need to make adjustments is for the deep tables. There are some good (in relation to the general skill level) regulars at the deep tables.

    But for the most part, just find a strategy that will have you making a few bb in between the big hands where you can go to value town, and you'll do just fine.
    12-23-2013 , 08:53 AM
    The deep table regs play more like 16nl.
    12-23-2013 , 09:33 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by oop u mad
    Deposited $50 on the 12th after a break because I wanted to unlock the $50 outstanding bonus that was 62% done or something. Just hit the $250 mark (incl. bonuses) which was my goal, 5 bi shot at 10NL now. As long as I don't over adjust I'm sure I'll do fine. Any advice from those that have moved up though?
    No harm in integrating a couple of 10nl tables whilst you still play 5nl too. Works well for me as keeps me playing my normal game for longer

    Other than that, just play solid and wait for bad players to spew to you when you have it.
    12-23-2013 , 09:44 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by birdayy
    The deep table regs play more like 16nl.
    you was on one of my 25nl tables last night or this morning rather.
    12-23-2013 , 09:56 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MMSS
    I'd be amazed if every reg I've come across hasn't got me marked as a solid reg/passive nit/calling station.
    If you dont mind, pm me your sn.
    12-23-2013 , 10:05 AM
    both hands vs same villain

    h1: should we bet vbetting here?

    Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BTN): $10.42
    SB: $6.04 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
    BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 10.94, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 129)
    UTG: $12.01 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 71)
    MP: $11.50 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 20)
    CO: $8.66 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 6)

    SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J T

    fold, fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, CO calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.95, 2 players) J 7 2
    CO bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95

    Turn: ($2.85, 2 players) Q
    CO checks, Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

    River: ($5.85, 2 players) Q
    CO checks, Hero bets $1.80, CO calls $1.80

    h2: is river call too loose versus passive fish?

    Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BTN): $10.00
    SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 12.61, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 113)
    BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 13.95, PFR: 9.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 174)
    UTG: $12.66 (VPIP: 26.51, PFR: 26.51, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 91)
    CO: $13.47 (VPIP: 42.31, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 26)

    SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 5 5

    fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, CO calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.95, 2 players) 3 8 K
    CO checks, Hero bets $0.57, CO calls $0.57

    Turn: ($2.09, 2 players) J
    CO checks, Hero checks

    River: ($2.09, 2 players) 5
    CO bets $2.09, Hero calls $2.09

    Last edited by dillchips; 12-23-2013 at 10:19 AM.
    12-23-2013 , 10:18 AM
    Don't cbet flop in hand 2, in my opinion. I'd just prefer to X/F there, especially against a loose passive.
    12-23-2013 , 10:25 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HU4hoes
    you was on one of my 25nl tables last night or this morning rather.
    Oh you're a squirtle pic on stars too?

    Hope i didn't play too ******edly.
    12-23-2013 , 10:34 AM
    AK, I love you, but you're brining me down. Just felt this board was so wet that I felt TPTK was good to call and GII on blank turn cards. Saying that since villain has Regish stats are we looking at sets/two pair here most of the time?

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BB): $5.45
    UTG: $19.68 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 11.43, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 38)
    MP: $5.78 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 85)
    CO: $4.00 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
    BTN: $5.24 (VPIP: 20.99, PFR: 17.28, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 165)
    SB: $10.20 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 110)

    SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A K

    UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.05, fold, Hero raises to $0.25, UTG calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.77, 3 players) 3 4 A
    Hero bets $0.60, fold, BTN raises to $1.65, Hero calls $1.05

    Turn: ($4.07, 2 players) 8
    Hero checks, BTN bets $2.15, Hero raises to $3.55 and is all-in, BTN calls $1.19 and is all-in

    River: ($10.75, 2 players) 2
    12-23-2013 , 10:35 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by asriva
    If you dont mind, pm me your sn.
    You probably haven't played with me much as I don't have that many hands that aren't at stupid times, but why not.

    @Above - Work out what he needs to have for what you did to be profitable.

    Last edited by MMSS; 12-23-2013 at 10:42 AM.
    12-23-2013 , 10:36 AM
    ^bigger pre
    as played fold flop. you're either dead or flipping vs combodraw
    12-23-2013 , 11:22 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by birdayy
    Oh you're a squirtle pic on stars too?

    Hope i didn't play too ******edly.
    yupyup

    ha was like 50hands so there wasn't much to see
    12-23-2013 , 11:46 AM
    @dill, river is too thin in H1 and I'd strongly consider checking back the turn. I wouldn't cbet H2 either, but never folding the river.
    12-23-2013 , 11:50 AM
    Can't believe this guy.

    Firstly coz he rivered me , secondly coz he cracked my Aces , but mainly as he used his entire timebank on the river to just call. Gotta love dem fishies!

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21866461

      Hero (BTN): $14.72 (147.2 bb)
      SB: $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $18.13 (181.3 bb)
      UTG: $5.50 (55 bb)
      MP: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
      CO: $13.60 (136 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.60) 8 Q 8 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.37, SB calls $0.37

      Turn: ($1.34) K (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90

      River: ($3.14) 9 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20

      Spoiler:
      Results: $5.54 pot ($0.25 rake)
      Final Board: 8 Q 8 K 9
      Hero showed A A and lost (-$2.72 net)
      SB showed A J and won $5.29 ($2.57 net)



      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
      12-23-2013 , 12:10 PM
      You moving up soon Dunna?
      12-23-2013 , 12:21 PM
      Yeah. Am rolled but need to get hands in before the year end, so it's less stressful doing that on 4 tables of 10nl Zoom than 2 of 25nl Zoom, even tho I'd earn more VPPs at the higher level. Not confident enough to 4 table at 25nl even tho it'd save me a lot of time, no point losing money to make $50.

      Am also giving myself more padding for the next proper shot take so it's all good

            
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