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12-19-2013 , 09:08 PM
I just never really got into any spots. My session was only 300 hands long since I've recently decided I'd much rather put in 300 well thought out hands than 1,000 eh-thought out hands just for the basis of getting volume.

While volume improves a player and all that jazz I just don't feel I have the mental capacity and endurance to play as many tables for as many hands as I would love to.

So yeah, just never really got any big hands during that small 300 hand session. Had AA once but that got folded to a cbet, and hit one set but as you saw I got coolered with it.

Time to do some studying. Time to remind myself to use a bit of the time bank more frequently. Might go for a walk too since it's a good day outside today.
12-19-2013 , 10:26 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($54.95)
BB ($25.35)
Hero ($26.58)

Dealt to Hero 7 K

Hero raises to $0.50, SB raises to $2, fold, Hero raises to $4.50, SB raises to $7, Hero calls $2.50

FLOP ($14.25) 7 T 4

SB checks, Hero bets $2.70, SB calls $2.70

TURN ($19.65) 7 T 4 3

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($19.65) 7 T 4 3 K

SB bets $12.50, Hero raises to $16.88 (AI), SB folds

Hero shows 7 K

Hero wins $43.65

This is what happens when you want to get in to a 3betting war with me, i'll just happily flat the 5b and "outplay" you post

ps: i hope this was not anyone in this thread

Last edited by HU4hoes; 12-19-2013 at 10:33 PM.
12-19-2013 , 10:45 PM
Wtf, I thought you were like a 200NL player? I don't want you playing my stakes!
12-19-2013 , 11:19 PM
lol, vnh
12-19-2013 , 11:40 PM
Looking for 3-4 motivated grinders, who have played 150k+ hands 10nl+.

You will be in a skype group with some of the better small stake grinders that have come through this year, 5 players that are confirmed in the group play 100nl on stars and 4 of us are coached by a highstakes reg (SharkbaitOHHH on 2+2).

since another skype group we've had turned to ****, Ive took it upon myself to just star a new HC group. The other 3 SSNL'ers will tune in with strategy every now but since its my idea id likely be posting the most (hopefully).

This is by no means a coaching, More bouncing ideas of each other and helping each other with leaks in their game, teaching people will help us understand our games better so let us help you help us

Please PM me and ill ask you a few questions and we will take it from there, I generally want guys who think outside the box and are somewhat creative, But the main thing i look for is work ethic and that > everything imo.
12-19-2013 , 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Wtf, I thought you were like a 200NL player? I don't want you playing my stakes!
Agreed. Leave us alone you bully.
12-19-2013 , 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Wtf, I thought you were like a 200NL player? I don't want you playing my stakes!






Quote:
Originally Posted by birdayy
Agreed. Leave us alone you bully.

I don't play online any more, I just grind 25nl when I get bored at home.




Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSpew
Looking for 3-4 motivated grinders, who have played 150k+ hands 10nl+.

You will be in a skype group with some of the better small stake grinders that have come through this year, 5 players that are confirmed in the group play 100nl on stars and 4 of us are coached by a highstakes reg (SharkbaitOHHH on 2+2).

since another skype group we've had turned to ****, Ive took it upon myself to just star a new HC group. The other 3 SSNL'ers will tune in with strategy every now but since its my idea id likely be posting the most (hopefully).

This is by no means a coaching, More bouncing ideas of each other and helping each other with leaks in their game, teaching people will help us understand our games better so let us help you help us

Please PM me and ill ask you a few questions and we will take it from there, I generally want guys who think outside the box and are somewhat creative, But the main thing i look for is work ethic and that > everything imo.
Can I join this?
P.s. I plan to make it back to SSNL in the short future
12-20-2013 , 12:08 AM
I'd love to join a group like that, MrSpew, but unfortunately only play 10NL at the moment. :/

Maybe in the future!
12-20-2013 , 12:45 AM
HU4hoes converting to live. Good sh*t. Or bad if you live near him lol
12-20-2013 , 03:15 AM
Godmode hour activated.

12-20-2013 , 03:17 AM
LMFAO
12-20-2013 , 03:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by birdayy
Godmode hour activated.

Fish on a heater.
12-20-2013 , 12:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by birdayy
Godmode hour activated.
thanks for contributing to the poker economy in the long run

Quote:
Originally Posted by HU4hoes
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my advice to anyone playing 25nl: snap abort mission asap ainec
12-20-2013 , 01:10 PM
Do Pokerstars FPP's reset when the year changes?
Stellar rewards reset right?
12-20-2013 , 01:13 PM
FPPs carry over, any stellar rewards/milestone progress will be reset.
12-20-2013 , 03:16 PM
Great.
Withdrawed some winnings. Going to have no hurry moving out of 10nl. Immediately hit a small downswing. KK < aggrodonks 26, enough said. When people donk like a maniac and have to raise rivers with middle pair for value, adds a ton of variance...

h1: Not sure if raising or flatting is the best here. The guy loved to donk rivers. Maybe if i flat he will call a raise lighter.

Microgaming - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: €12.73 (VPIP: 19.64, PFR: 13.55, 3Bet Preflop: 3.53, Hands: 278)
CO: €9.37 (VPIP: 92.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (BTN): €4.80
SB: €3.92 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: €4.00 (VPIP: 16.42, PFR: 13.14, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 276)
UTG: €4.19 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)

SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.06) Hero has Q J

UTG raises to €0.16, fold, CO calls €0.16, Hero calls €0.16, fold, fold

Flop: (€0.54, 3 players) 9 7 A
UTG checks, CO bets €0.12, Hero calls €0.12, UTG calls €0.12

Turn: (€0.90, 3 players) T
UTG checks, CO bets €0.44, Hero calls €0.44, fold

River: (€1.78, 2 players) 6
CO bets €0.88, Hero calls €0.88

CO shows 8 8 (Straight Flush, Ten High) (Pre 51%, Flop 48%, Turn 2%)
Hero mucks Q J (Flush, Queen High) (Pre 49%, Flop 52%, Turn 98%)
CO wins €3.44

h2:

Microgaming - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: €11.74 (VPIP: 94.83, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 61)
Hero (BTN): €7.23
SB: €4.20 (VPIP: 4.55, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
BB: €3.16 (VPIP: 58.06, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
UTG: €6.45 (VPIP: 13.16, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 76)

SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.04, CO posts DB €0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.10) Hero has K J

fold, CO checks, Hero raises to €0.16, fold, fold, CO calls €0.12

Flop: (€0.38, 2 players) 3 5 9
CO checks, Hero bets €0.18, CO calls €0.18

Turn: (€0.74, 2 players) J
CO bets €0.04, Hero raises to €0.64, CO calls €0.60

River: (€2.02, 2 players) Q
CO bets €0.50, Hero raises to €1.50, CO calls €1.00

Hero shows K J (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 65%, Flop 76%, Turn 84%)
CO shows 8 Q (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 35%, Flop 24%, Turn 16%)
CO wins €4.92

h3:
Microgaming - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €11.73 (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 291)
UTG: €15.33 (VPIP: 94.74, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 41)
Hero (CO): €4.00
BTN: €3.94 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 17)
SB: €4.00 (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)

SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.06) Hero has K K

UTG calls €0.04, Hero raises to €0.16, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls €0.12

Flop: (€0.38, 2 players) 5 7 2
UTG bets €0.18, Hero raises to €0.54, UTG calls €0.36

Turn: (€1.46, 2 players) 2
UTG bets €0.36, Hero raises to €1.36, UTG calls €1.00

River: (€4.18, 2 players) A
UTG bets €1.04, Hero raises to €1.94 and is all-in, UTG calls €0.90

UTG shows 6 2 (Three of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 13%, Flop 22%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Twos) (Pre 87%, Flop 78%, Turn 5%)
UTG wins €7.96
12-20-2013 , 03:20 PM
Think this is too nitty but I'm struggling to see this guy doing this with worse nevertheless.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.95 (VPIP: 8.55, PFR: 6.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 184)
SB: $31.01 (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
BB: $27.60 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 13)
UTG: $28.02 (VPIP: 17.84, PFR: 13.75, 3Bet Preflop: 8.49, Hands: 279)
Hero (MP): $60.34
CO: $67.02 (VPIP: 15.53, PFR: 10.68, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 105)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J J

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 9 7 9
Hero bets $1.20, BTN raises to $4.00, fold

BTN wins $4.06
12-20-2013 , 04:05 PM
Not nitty at all, easy fold.
12-20-2013 , 05:45 PM
Nice +2BI session.
Few donks, but none too aggressive, or they did it in the wrong spots

Nice start to the session, wasn't sure whether Qs would be good vs an UTG raise but from the small sample he seemed donkish.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.16 (VPIP: 82.35, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (SB): $5.53
BB: $5.63 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
UTG: $4.63 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: $5.00 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 41)
CO: $17.51 (VPIP: 23.46, PFR: 20.99, 3Bet Preflop: 12.12, Hands: 84)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.60, fold, UTG raises to $1.10, Hero raises to $3.35, UTG raises to $4.63 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.28

Flop: ($9.31, 2 players) 8 6 5

Turn: ($9.31, 2 players) 4

River: ($9.31, 2 players) A

Spoiler:
Hero shows Q Q (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 86%, Flop 96%, Turn 95%)
UTG shows J T (High Card, Ace) (Pre 14%, Flop 4%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $8.92


Interesting spot. Anyone 3betting flop here? Think sets will GII and flush draws will fold, so don't see the point but maybe should have raised turn?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $2.19 (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (MP): $5.00
CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 14.93, PFR: 11.19, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 138)
BTN: $6.10 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
SB: $5.69 (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 10.26, PFR: 10.26, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 41)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q K

fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) Q 4 K
Hero bets $0.25, BTN raises to $0.93, Hero calls $0.68

Turn: ($2.23, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($5.23, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN checks

Spoiler:
Hero shows Q K (Two Pair, Kings and Queens) (Pre 62%, Flop 72%, Turn 77%)
BTN mucks 7 9 (Two Pair, Sevens and Fours) (Pre 38%, Flop 28%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $5.01


Last hand I was thinking 'well he's never calling river anyway' with missed draw, but you never know!

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $3.03 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): $5.23
UTG: $5.06 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: $2.75 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 4)
CO: $2.76 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 13)
BTN: $4.04 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J A

fold, MP raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) 4 J 4
Hero checks, MP bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.72, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($0.72, 2 players) J
Hero bets $0.55, MP calls $0.55

Spoiler:
Hero shows J A (Full House, Jacks full of Fours) (Pre 68%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
MP mucks A 7 (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours) (Pre 32%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $1.74


Brag hand, shame I didn't get to show
Or win much for that matter...

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $4.43 (VPIP: 51.61, PFR: 11.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
Hero (CO): $9.75
BTN: $5.59 (VPIP: 17.19, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 67)
SB: $2.86 (VPIP: 37.04, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 30)
BB: $5.07 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 6.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
UTG: $18.69 (VPIP: 22.48, PFR: 20.93, 3Bet Preflop: 10.42, Hands: 132)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A K

fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, BB calls $0.15, fold

Flop: ($0.47, 2 players) T J Q
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, fold

Spoiler:
Hero wins $0.45
12-20-2013 , 05:53 PM
h2: as played x/r turn. 3-betting the flop can't be bad. By just calling we give him control of the hand. If he checks turn we have to play the guessing game OTR, whether he had FD or Kx.
h4: time to check back vs that nit. give him the chance to hit a set or a broadway straight.
12-20-2013 , 06:27 PM
h4 I was hoping MP fish would call, think it was first time he limp/folded!
Rarely getting anything from that supernit though.
12-20-2013 , 06:35 PM
Frustrating as hell today. Only down half a buy in so not that bad. No real big pots to speak of. Just no one was calling when I had it and everyone just happened to have it when I bet. Got dealt AA and KK 12 times but won hardly anything with them. Guess the fish had their Spidey Senses turned on today
12-20-2013 , 08:33 PM
Isn't it a bit results oriented to post your results after a session? I see a lot ("a lot" might be a bit exaggerated) of you doing it, but it's pretty useless really. Rather say that you handled certain spots pretty well or had problems with your thought process instead of saying 'I won/lost X BI', right?

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't irritate me at all, this post isn't to bitch. But I personally think it's a leak, especially when someone says something like "had a great session, up 3BI!" because you're now (unconsciously) connecting the fact that you won 3 BI to the thought you played great (which is not automatically true). And vice versa, losing session =/= bad play. I guess we all know this but sometimes we seem to forget this.


Also, some thoughts on this hand? Both villains are unknown, I assumed they were fishes because of their limps but I didn't have any other information. I realy hate his x/MinR on the flop, because I can't say how big a fish he really is so he could be doing this even w/ AK or whatever. Turn is a shove because I figured I'm probably not going to fold river anyway vs him and by shoving turn I might get value out of his (few?) FD's he has, wasn't sure about him betting a busted FD OTR...

Imo my line is really standard, but I'm a bit results oriented about the hand right now, so any thoughts are appreciated.

Edit: would it be bad if I tried to GII otf?

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (BTN): $12.44 (248.8 bb)
    SB: $4.57 (91.4 bb)
    BB: $5.18 (103.6 bb)
    UTG: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
    MP: $4.80 (96 bb)
    CO: $5 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 7
    UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.20, MP calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.82) A A 8 (3 players)
    UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.52, UTG folds, MP raises to $1.04, Hero calls $0.52

    Turn: ($2.90) T (2 players)
    MP bets $1.40, Hero raises to $4, MP calls $2.11 and is all-in

    River: ($9.92) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $9.92 pot ($0.41 rake)
    Final Board: A A 8 T 5
    Hero showed A 7 and lost (-$4.80 net)
    MP showed A J and won $9.51 ($4.71 net)
    12-20-2013 , 09:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    Think this is too nitty but I'm struggling to see this guy doing this with worse nevertheless.

    PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: $10.95 (VPIP: 8.55, PFR: 6.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 184)
    SB: $31.01 (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
    BB: $27.60 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 13)
    UTG: $28.02 (VPIP: 17.84, PFR: 13.75, 3Bet Preflop: 8.49, Hands: 279)
    Hero (MP): $60.34
    CO: $67.02 (VPIP: 15.53, PFR: 10.68, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 105)

    SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J J

    fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

    Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 9 7 9
    Hero bets $1.20, BTN raises to $4.00, fold

    BTN wins $4.06
    Interesting spot.

    Your value range is very narrow, his value range is even narrower, so he really only represents such a small amount of hands (9x, 77), I wouldn't expect him to have any sort of 9x hands in his range given how tight he is though, unless he had 99, and it's really not ideal for him to be raising either 9x or 77 here since it will just throw you off of your overs. Besides, he's short, he doesn't need to raise flop to be able to have his stack go in by the turn, or river.

    I'd probably call and X/C most turns, simply because there's so little in his range that can actually beat us here.

    Maybe that's not the correct way to approach the hand, but yeah.


    Studebaker: Barrel AJ there on the turn. TPTK on such a dry flop is so strong, and if he has a range that continues on the turn there's a good chance we just have it absolutely crushed.

    If he doesn't continue on the turn then that's meh. If you value bet and people fold then you can't really complain I guess.
    12-20-2013 , 11:18 PM
    Anyone feel like lols?

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...lines-1169498/

    Also:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    As for overrated things, getting AI preflop for 100bb with AK is horrendously overrated. Obviously this is situational, but without reads, against a player who seems moderately reasonable (i.e. not an utter spew donkey) I'm folding to a 4bet with AK. The same applies to TT and JJ, and to a much lesser extent QQ (the difference being that I won't normally fold QQ to a 4bet without many hands on vil).

          
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