Ok so i just started with gtowizard and i'm noob so i looked up one of my hands was in bb(srp co v bb) (had QTo) in this one called river as a fish i am but i came across some chamber of secrets stuff why in this particular runout gto wants to call KdJh/KcJh 99.5% and other combos 23.9 and 36.8, are they unblocking some of his bluffs with Jh? Its 10z btw so obviously he was betting value now i think i should've led river 20% and fold for raise mby also some light for my play would be cool? But yeah got me interested if anyone can help would be neat, cheers.


also idk why the screenshot doesn't open, im a pleb help ploxx
this is the link http://prntscr.com/1ramh35

you are linking to a random web page. link to the image, and repost in poker theory, as your question is off topic here.

Probably just blocking J9s

With that said, these things are not worth focusing on too much until you're a relatively advanced player. It's possible his size in solver is early used and so is subject to some weird (and inhuman) blocker effects that don't really matter.

Also, asking a question like this and then only posting a screenshot of your calls isn't particularly useful. The answer is going to be found in his range composition, not yours.

Jfc don't tell me this is your new schtick because of some subtext in the forum descriptions. Poker is moving past where it was 15+ years ago and players are being exposed to gto content earlier and earlier. It just is what it is, like it or not.

Thankyou, will take notes, also i didn't know talking about gto instantly throws you off from newbie status , thought my post is naive enough to post it here

Only to the BQ forum fuddy-duddy. He's stuck in idle around 2009.

If GTO is a beginner's topic the game is dead.

sixfour... this is indeed the way the game has been heading for at least the last several years.

At high levels where they're just losing to rake while waiting for a fish, maybe

There are two constant elements to GTO threads in BQ:
1. Duncelanas provides an insightful response
2. Somebody complains that GTO shouldn’t be discussed in BQ and from that point on the thread revolves around that topic

To the spot in question: maybe I am blind but I don’t see villain’s river range? Would be easier to know what blocks what if we knew his range composition.

Yeah sorry i posted my range [IMG][/IMG]
So as i wrote before there was no way(I thought) he is bluffing or valuebetting weaker so i just spite called
Btw about gto - isn't gto to poker like core to understand strategy in perfect environment and then adjust from it depending on villains play?
P.S SCREENSHOT WORKED HUEHUE
also, thinking of doing my bankroll challenge so i can write my diary there
P.S.S I didn't want to start war here also,as you can see my joining date im quite new here and when i see you guys posting who have 2006/2009 joining dates i respect that alot.

If the thread was posted in an appropriate place initially then point 2 wouldn't be a factor. As Poker Theory is apparently being renamed to be a collation point for GTO garbage, then neither point 1 nor 2 will be relevant in the near future

Questions like this almost always come down to microscopic blocker effects.

The Jh blocks the only J9s possible, while Kd/Kc blocks KK and K9o in villain's range.






There's some value in understanding how your suits interact with the combinatorics of the board, but not a ton to take away from this spot.

When in doubt, look at your equity, then try to work out what value/bluffs you block/unblock in villain's range. If villain's range isn't visible, select multiple nearby bet sizes to get an approximate answer.




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Clearly, this isn't a beginner question, and I agree the Poker Theory & GTO forum will be the best place for these kinds of questions going forward. I don't think we can fault Satti for not knowing this though

I would consider this a relatively "beginner question" personally - I don't think it's a great idea to spam the "poker theory + gto" forum with random spot checks people have from gtowizard or something.

This is clearly a pretty granular question about some specific combos in a specific spot that can be answered in a few words, not really any kind of deep "poker theory" question. Maybe it needs to be more hashed out which sorts of gto-related questions are better suited for BQ vs PT, but I've always thought of PT as a place for more detailed and broad-ranging theory analysis and discussion rather than this type of question.

Sites like upswing abound now with references to gto principles and even solves being regularly referenced in content aimed at relatively low-level players. I don't think BQ needs to be relegated to extremely basic questions about the game - that is to say that I think lower-intermediate level simple questions have always seemed appropriate in this forum to me.

I doubt most people posting here will understand GTO and how it applies to winning poker. The game will always be good.