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02-26-2011 , 08:04 PM
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG+1: $0.38
MP1: $0.03
MP2: $1.89
CO: $1.89
BTN: $2.37
SB: $4.08
Hero (BB): $1.91
UTG: $1.09

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with Q J
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 raises to $0.03 all in, MP2 calls $0.03, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.01, UTG calls $0.01, UTG+1 calls $0.01

Flop: ($0.16) 5 J T (5 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $0.12, UTG raises to $0.26, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $0.26, Hero folds

Turn: ($0.80) A (3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG bets $0.80 all in, MP2 folds

River: ($0.80) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $0.80
MP1 shows Kc 7c (high card Ace - King kicker)
UTG shows 2d Qd (high card Ace)
UTG wins $0.60
MP1 wins $0.16
(Rake: $0.04)
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02-26-2011 , 08:12 PM
I'm not a big fan of leading the flop. You don't have much chance of getting people to fold a JTx flop, so your fold equity is low. Somebody will have something they don't want to fold. I like a check/call better, or perhaps a check/raise.

The flop fold is completely silly. You're getting infinity-to-1 odds. You don't even need implied odds to make that call; you can call purely to spike something on the turn.

I don't even understand why you did it. You donk out because you clearly love your two overs + OESD, and then you fold to a minraise??? With an additional overcaller in the pot as well, giving you even better odds??? It's baffling.
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02-26-2011 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jkugelman

I don't even understand why you did it. You donk out because you clearly love your two overs + OESD, and then you fold to a minraise??? With an additional overcaller in the pot as well, giving you even better odds??? It's baffling.
Am I missing something? Doesn't he have top pair?
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02-26-2011 , 08:54 PM
well, being a min raise or not, it was a raise with a caller, i thought one of them might have JT, but i do agree i played it horribly
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02-26-2011 , 08:59 PM
Looks good to me.
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02-26-2011 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Buu
Am I missing something? Doesn't he have top pair?
Sigh. No, you're not missing something. Never mind everything I said...
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02-27-2011 , 08:28 AM
I agree. Not liking the raise and call but getting nearly 6-1 a call is the play. It would have helped greatly if you had stats on villians.


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Originally Posted by jkugelman
You donk out because you clearly love your two overs + OESD, and then you fold to a minraise???
Where is OESD ???
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02-27-2011 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jkugelman
I'm not a big fan of leading the flop. You don't have much chance of getting people to fold a JTx flop, so your fold equity is low. Somebody will have something they don't want to fold. I like a check/call better, or perhaps a check/raise.

The flop fold is completely silly. You're getting infinity-to-1 odds. You don't even need implied odds to make that call; you can call purely to spike something on the turn.

I don't even understand why you did it. You donk out because you clearly love your two overs + OESD, and then you fold to a minraise??? With an additional overcaller in the pot as well, giving you even better odds??? It's baffling.
This

But also,

I wouldn't personally lead out unless it is just you and another player player in the pot. But from your action you made the right decision to fold...
Just be aware of the amount of players in the pot. Think what hands they might hold. Some people think TPTK is good enough to get it in which isn't usually the best hand. However, at these stakes you see a lot of weird play!

Good luck.
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02-27-2011 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by nismo9
I agree. Not liking the raise and call but getting nearly 6-1 a call is the play.
I don't think so. Hero is almost never ahead on the flop and he's more than 8 to 1 to improve on the turn, and even when hero does improve there's no way to know if it's the best hand. Trailing now + slim odds of improving + improving could be an expensive disaster + multiple opponents = good time to get out.
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02-27-2011 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TexArcher
I don't think so. Hero is almost never ahead on the flop and he's more than 8 to 1 to improve on the turn, and even when hero does improve there's no way to know if it's the best hand. Trailing now + slim odds of improving + improving could be an expensive disaster + multiple opponents = good time to get out.
Thats why stats are very helpful. If so maybe hero could have deduced that these guys were fishing which they were
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02-27-2011 , 10:35 AM
yes i agree, CC wouldve been better. also really confused on a bet then fold for min-raise. in my decision making i personally make sure i can stand a raise especially if im leading out.
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02-27-2011 , 11:23 AM
I don't like leading out here, even with TP, cause every time u get raised u are in a tough spot. X/C is better and u can evaluate the turn/river and take appropriate actions.
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