Hi guys,

Can you recommend someone's coaching vids about sh nl10 and sh nl25? Where to search for that stuff? Cardrunners or maybe you have a coach that you can wholehartedly recommend?


GL at the tables
JK

Not sure about an exact coach but I know there is a coaching site called Grinderschool which specialises in micro-stakes videos. Its pretty affordable as well

If you have a specific question about CR vids, you can post in the Sponsored Forum and I can help you there.

DeucesCrack and is not even close, no signed up fees, $30 a month and videos arent DRM protected and lots of great stuff for cash gamers from all the levels

DeucesCracked is never the best coaching site for anyone, it's beaten in the market in every respect. Would recommend GrinderSchool for microstakes, CardRunners for 50NL-100NL and if money is no object or you're playing higher, get Run It Once Elite and Ivey League Masters.

I think sthief09 (DeucesCracked) is great, he explains everything clear.
Also, his videos can teach you how to work on your own and as mentioned above DeucesCracked is cheaper, no fees.

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Gripsed is decent and free (YouTube)

Also try the Pokerbank, and PokerStrategy

Basically just search Google or YouTube and you'll find loads of decent enough microstake stuff

Hello,i have something to say:

I was a member there and because I started to play poker again recently,
I was thinking to buy a monthly subscription again.
Can you please name some reasons,why you think is the worst?
Cause I really liked sthief09's old video series.

Most of the stuff they put out is ****e. Honestly, it's roughly the same price, Matthew Janda alone makes CardRunners better.

You guys do realize that DC is $29/mo. and CR has a $130 signup fee + $30/mo recurring, right?

How do you expect a micros player to afford $160 for the first month and how on earth do you think that's worth it for them? Virtually none of the content on CR has anything to do with even small stakes or below. Almost all of it focuses on Mid stakes +.

You guys have mentioned Grinderschool which is a great option for a micros player. Subs start @ $10 a mo. although they're pretty useless and you might as well just buy the full sub monthly.

As for DC being the worst: Can someone please explain how that could be? It is, by far, #1 in the market right now. I took their 7 day trial and subbed for one month (just last week) and it's helping me out tremendously so far. Their videos are far, far more advanced and "new" than Grinderschool's.

I just want to add a note about DragTheBar. I think this is the worst option for anybody right now. $30/mo for not a ton of new content weekly compared to CR or DC and a lot of the content is made by the same coach or two. Very basic, laymen's terms videos and just not worth the $30/mo. As far as their customers support and the size of the community, it's not even close. This is basically a no-no training site, IMO. $30 is ridiculous here.

There are some smaller coaching sites which are worse than DtB but I agree it's pretty terrible, Vulcans is basically the only coach worth watching and his stuff is still kinda lol at times.

DC just doesn't have anything which is going to help anyone who's beating the upper microstakes or above. Most of their stuff is painfully simple or takes ****ing ages to make a point (Blah Blah GTO is a hideous example of the latter, if you're going to make videos about GTO don't get some ****er who knows nothing about game theory to do half the talking). EDIT: If 'top of the market' means best content then DC is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind Run It Once and Ivey League. Seriously, ****in' Lefort, man.

As for GrinderSchool, some of the videos are pretty simple but a) the site is aimed at people playing 2NL-25NL mostly (that's why the easiest videos to get to - the 'How to Master' series, are pretty basic), and b) a decent chunk of the more recent material from Carroters, PocketAir and myself tackles a lot of the more advanced concepts. Definitely check out Carroters' recent Study and Grind series and my ongoing Introduction to Poker Theory series if you're looking for more advanced stuff*.


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See, I contemplated Ivey League's Bachelor subscription, as well. Do you really think that, for just $9 a month would do me more good than the full DC access for $30? It's not a loaded question - I'm legitimately curious.

You can see how everyone winds up on DC, though, right? It's so heavily marketed and the free trial w/ access to full downloads during it is a really big draw. As far as "content", I simply meant that it has the most content on the site total and puts out the most new content daily.

I do agree with you again though that Grinderschool is pretty cool. I spent a month subbed there before I started playing and may very well give it a look again in the future. I've told a few other beginners offline about it, too.

I agree with everyone about DTB. I have never paid for a training site yet bc i only play 10nl and think there's enough free content out there to get me to 30nl (I play on very soft sites where 10nl=2nl on stars), but i got free subscription to dtb with my RB deal, and honestly most the content is... not good. How they can justify charging ppl to use this site is a joke, and tbh i'm surprised they have any customers left. It really put me of using other training sites, but i've heard positive things about other site so will still give them a go in future.

I would recommend getting Run It Once and Ivey League for one month and see if you like either of those. Worst case, you're out $20.

Also, there is (or at least there was) a way to sign up at CR for $10/mo with no sign up fee. Just have to poke the web to find it.

Run It Once is also only $20-30 for a month? No signup fee? If so, I'll definitely try it.

As for Ivey League...as said, I was already interested. I watched some of the free videos over there and really liked what I saw. The thing is that the masters (full sub) is like $75 for a month so I'd really just be trying out the Bachelor's for $9 realistically. Really no harm in that either way so I'll definitely give it a shot.

I remember CR offering something like that in the past where they waived the signup fee. I'll take a look around and try to find something like that. Thanks for mentioning this though as I had forgotten about it.

Run It Once (RIO) is only $10/mo for the essential package.. sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant do RIO for $10/mo and the Bachelor's at Ivey for $10/mo- for the $20 I mentioned.

Ah, I see. This is great and I had no idea RIO was priced that affordability. I'll go give it a look right now. Thanks again!

It's got some good stuff. One thing to note is that their videos aren't downloadable (if that's a deal breaker). I haven't watched anything other than plo videos, but they seem to be good quality.. plus Essential level gets 1 video with Phil Galfond per...month I think.

I checked out the site. I already had previously apparently as I noticed it was bookmarked here in Chrome.

Indeed, $9.99 for a month of the Essential package, which does include 1 video per month with Galfond. This is definitely something I'm going to look into and wasn't considering before reading this thread. Thanks again.

I disagree with people's view about Drag The Bar. I signed up to it last month to watch Blackrain's videos and whilst the subscription fee is a little pricey these videos in particular have helped my game a lot. As he is the most successful player at micro limits I would suggest that micro players( 2nl and 5nl) sign up to purely watch his videos.

IMO

Honestly, you're at the stage where any training site whatsoever could teach you a lot, and also the stage where you can get most of this information for cheaper or free.

Of course, there's definitely some value to spending a bit of your time studying ideas and concepts that are still over your head, you know? Still, Blackrain's videos really can't be over anyone's head. Poker doesn't really get much more simple than that. I've been playing for a few months and that's blatantly obvious to even me. You really don't need to pay $30/mo. for someone to show you how to stack a 50/5 fish when you hit a set of kings on the flop, or cbet 75% of the time against fish who are OOP, etc. This is all pretty obvious by either a) playing a little and b) as you said...just watching/reading plenty of the free material online.

DC has been good for me in that it has allowed me to do exactly what I mention in the beginning of this post - diving into material and concepts that are way over my head. I've learned so much about math in general, poker software, and things like 3betting, playing draws, polarizing my ranges, etc just from watching a few weeks of their videos that my knowledge of the game has increased tremendously. As you said though, it's not exactly going to be a huge challenge for someone in my shoes to find material that will help me learn as I only really have about 40k hands under my belt.

Still, it's best to avoid bad information entirely and I (as I've participated in a discussion about this already on 2p2) agree with some other folks out there in that a portion of Blackrain's content is just not very productive for someone who's starting up the game and looking to become as good as possible. He really does just teach how to make money in the micros online rather than how to play poker the best way possible. I'm not bashing him, but I do think his content is well below the standard of what's going on over on some other sites.

As for DTB in general...they have less content than other sites, produce new content at a slower rate than the other sites, are a really small community compared, and have pretty lame customer service and support. I mean, I could elaborate more but I think I've gotten my point across sufficiently. I definitely wouldn't spend $30 a month there no matter what stage of the game I was in and as a last note...a lot of good players have told me in my early stages of the game here to avoid that site entirely. It really does kind of suck.

I understand, I just find that personally for me his videos and content make a lot of sense and have helped me do quite well at those limits after about 40 or so k hands( I know its a small sample size but I feel a lot more confident at those stakes now).

I am also curious as to what separates a site like Grinderschool from other micro training sites? I reccommended it in my first post because I have read that its a very good site for micro stakes via other forums/poker websites. Was wondering why this is the case?

Furthermore would it be worth joining and why would it be worthing joining GS if you can learn to beat the micro's by accessing free content( which you indicated above)?

Sorry if it sounds like an attack, this is not my intention. I have actually wanted to join the site for a long time as its cheap and highly reccommended within the poker community. Just trying to find out more info on the site

Thanks

My 2c here. Even tough DC is now a pale shadow of what was a few years ago is still worth the sub price ( I'm playing 50NL/PLO). DTB cannot really be compared to top competitors for size and price, since you can get it by raking $ 100 a month with their rb deal.
A question for TheDefiniteArticle or others into this business: How do you think the coaching sites market will evolve in the next couple of years? More Premium material at premium price style like RIO and IL perhaps?