If im on button with Ace King suited and make a standard raise and get called by two opponents say one in blind and one limper. If it is checked round to me When should i make a C-Bet? 80% of the time if i miss the flop or somethin. does it depend on the opponents who have called me and the texture of the board?

Depends on your read of the players and yes, texture of the flop, but I will almost always c-bet in this situation. Could be a leak, but I almost always take down the pot right there.

kk any other thoughts on this topic?

against unknown opponents if I'm in position I will c-bet pretty much 100% of the time. If one or more of the opponents is a station I will obviously take the free card.

I added fold to cbet on the my hud and use it constantly... some players will never call a cbet unless they hit

I c-bet here most of the time and it is profitable.

I have another question about this:

I find AK harder to play in situations when the villains doesn't check but instead almost always donkbet into me. What do you other guys do when this happens? Since they often bet into you when you are the PFR:er, you can't be sure they have hit or not, and you have missed the flop yourself. If I have other outs like a good draw or if the flop doesn't seem to have hit anyone hard, I am more willing to continue with a raise or call. How do you other guys do?

C-betting is really, really nice. I just find it hard sometimes to act correctly when the control is taken from me like this. Suggestions?

If it's a donkbet I'll usually raise it up to about 3x the bet.

No need to reinvent the wheel here. Check out the most excellent magazine article on C-betting (I think it was May +/- a month).

Very good article, if you keep a scrapbook for poker stuff this should be included

Yeah if they are min-betting or close to min-betting (which is usually the case), I raise and just consider it like a c-bet. 3 possible scenarios here, 2 of which are good:

1.) Donk has nothing and was bluffing, terribly. They fold and you collect an extra bet.
2.) Weak-tight donk actually has something and folds thinking your raise means you have a big hand. Donk feels good about folding. You feel good about sitting a table with said donk.
3.) Donk calls or re-raises and you shutdown. No different than if your c-bet had been check-raised.

Now if they make a real bet I usually just fold. Most of the time this means they actually hit their hand. Then, I laugh, because I just saved the cost of a c-bet.

I went looking for article. You can't get to that issue anymore.

This is an interesting question for me also. I find it difficult to justify a c-bet on an 8 3 6 rainbow flop, for instance, as anyone with reasonable attentiveness will know, from my tricky-tight table image, that I wouldn't have raised PF with any of these cards (A8, A6, A3), and if I'd have hit a set, then I would have probably looked for a check-raise.

My example is for limit though, perhaps NL strategy would require a different approach?

I'm new too, and would like to hear opinions.

Lots of threads on this
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=2#Post8313278
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Thanks for this, just added this after reading your post and am finding it to be invaluable, especially late in tourney play.

Don't forget 99-AA.

Well, DUH on me. See, this is why I need help. Of course, if I held an over pair to the flop, I'd be betting. This has gotten me into trouble before after making calls to what I considered just a c-bet from an otherwise tight player who was probably playing AK, AQ, etc - but yes, they've often shown down the overpair. Thanks, foal.

I don't like to raise the donkbet by just 3x, imo you should pot it when you think they're drawing, because many times when you PFR, and they donkbet into you, 3x their donkbet still gives them proper odds to call when they are on a draw. If they call then you gotta re=evaluate the situation on the turn, if I don't hit or think they did I usually shut it down and try to get to showdown for the cheapest.

Yes.

Assuming we're talking NL here, I almost always c-bet. The only time I don't is if I completely missed the flop and I have 2 or more callers who have yet to act, which means I raised PF in early or middle position.

If you're heads up you definitely need to check the stack size of your opponent. If you make a c-bet of 2/3 pot and that is 1/3 of his stack, what are you going to do if he raises all-in and you've completely missed the flop? I usually end up folding then.

If you "almost always c-bet" then observant opponents will float/steal if you don't 2nd barrel OOP, and slow play sets vs you a little more often if you do. That way, when you're OOP, you end up bloating the pot with TPTK facing either a second barrel with Ace-high or TPTK - either of which become vulnerable to a large raise if that raise still leaves a pot-sized bet behind in villain's stack.

I really think there is a lot to be said in a deep stack game for periodically checking TPTK OOP to induce bluffs or calls on later streets rather than bet/bet - and now have only 1 psb left with which to ask "is my 1-pair really good now???"

I have no doubt that the game and stacks you play that close to 100% cb'ing works for you. But that is not necessarily always best in all games with all stack sizes.

Also, don't assume people preceive you as you are. Not sure the limits you play but if they are low than lots of people are just not aware - they are only playing their cards. Many are multi-tabling so won't notice also. And if you havn't shown much down then you could have been playing and raising with any cards.

A lot of the time we perceive ourselves one way and our opponents perceive us completely differently.

I definitely agree that in a deep stack cash game it's good to mix up your game and not always c-bet. If you're heads-up against someone with an equal or bigger stack then you definitely need to be careful if your c-bet is called.

Obviously the texture of the flop needs to be considered as well. There are a lot of variables that go into it but you're not going to gain any information unless you c-bet even when you have nothing. I'd rather c-bet the flop and get called and then get checked to on the turn so that I can take the free card if necessary. Otherwise if I check the flop I may get bet into on the turn and then it's usually a raise or fold choice.

BTW, I usually play 2/4 or 3/6 NL.