tigerwoofs, hows it going, havent heard anything from you in a while on the forums, last news was you were doing very well at the micro husngs.

graphs? br?

i quit stars 2 weeks in. put in 5k vpps and now i have 2 days to grind 2k vpps if i wannna keep platinum.. hmmm i have thursday off so mass grinding..

oh how i missed stars rake monster maker


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $20.10
BTN: $77.30
SB: $44.50
BB: $63.65
UTG: $71.65
Hero (MP): $51.05

CO posts a big blind ($0.50)

Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is MP with A J
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.75) K 9 K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $3, BB raises to $9.50, Hero folds, BTN raises to $32.50, BB raises to $55.50, BTN raises to $75.30 all in, BB calls $6.15 all in

Turn: ($130.05) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($130.05) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $130.05
BTN shows 9 9 (a full house, Kings full of Nines)
BB shows J K (four of a kind, Kings)
BB wins $127.05
(Rake: $3.00)

and wtf


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BTN: $41.80
SB: $50.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $97.95
Hero (CO): $57.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 6 6
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($6.75) 3 6 2 (3 players)
UTG bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

Turn: ($20.25) Q (3 players)
UTG bets $12.50, Hero raises to $35.50, BTN folds, UTG calls $23

River: ($91.25) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15, UTG folds

Final Pot: $91.25
Hero mucks 6 6
Hero wins $89.25
(Rake: $2.00)
he had like $12 to go. missed draw? wtf

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SB: $31.95
BB: $50.75
UTG: $9.70
CO: $132.70
Hero (BTN): $52.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A T
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB raises to $2.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($5.50) T J 2 (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($9.50) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($11.50) T (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3

Final Pot: $19.50
SB mucks A A
Hero shows A T (three of a kind, Tens)
Hero wins $18.60
(Rake: $0.90)

[x] put him on Aces

Judging by his martingale HU BR plan thread and his TR, I'd say not very well.

$100.59----->$103.82

5NL FR. 6-tabling.
Only managed a short session for my move up to 5NL, 350hands. Was a bit swingy, but ended up on the + side so all good with me . Hoping I can put in some volume as I should have a few extra days off next week.

ugh, i suck at turbo sngs. i don't know the pushbot charts well enough to play the endgame properly. gotta learn that and try again.

$215 --> $202

Obvious soul read on his part

Hey man, yeh poker has ruined me. Kind of reverse affect has occured where i never followed strict BRM from the start and so all the games i have ever played have only given me experience and nothing else to show. By now i could be at like 100NL if i used BRM. I'm now bored to death of HU sngs. Just knowing it will take a good 6 months to actually get the ball rolling i can not physically push myself to play within proper BRM. It makes me try and take more shortcuts. About 10 times i have built a $10 roll into for me what a substantial amount it. Ie. 3 weeks ago on UB i managed to make $10 to $400 and lost it the next day. Is disgusting thinking i did that. And how i for some reason do not value money :S. Even though i'm a skint student at university. So many times i have been told u don't get far in life without a big input. Most successful people in life work their way up the ladder. (tortoise and the Hare story).

Patience is very key. They call it "building" a BR for a reason. I know exactly how you feel and I used to play the very same way. It really isn't as bad as you think. I hated playing 2nl at first until I realized it's a great place to learn how to valuetown people. It's hard to drop down to smaller stakes when you are used to playing higher but 9 tabling 2nl deep is same as playing 50nl HU as far as the chunk of money you're investing. You're just investing it in a much smarter way. You may not be able to double your BR in one hand but you certainly can boost it mighty quick.

Go look at my PTR. I know the exact spot you're in. I donked off so many "rolls" that it's kinda gross to think about where I could be playing had I just been smart from the beginning. Work on tilt. Work on BRM. You will be SO much happier with poker once you do. A good thing to remember is that it's all one big session. I generally have my graph set to "this month" so I don't get caught up in the short term of "a winning day" or a "losing day". Long term thinking is one of the keys of winning poker.

Thanks, yeh but i can't afford a poker tracker. Which is kind of annoying because it would help me. I have already used the trial pack which has now expired. . One day i will realise how to self control myself. But i really do think it's just a pateince game which u have to be the kind of person in order to be a winner.

BR-297

Rebuilding back to my previous high is working well. Was closing in on 300 until a guy was value towning himself with 44 on a 352 flop against my 88. River 6 obv. I can't really complain about running bad though. Each time I've been getting AA AIPF vs KQs or some crap it's managing to hold up. I even won a race with AKs against QQ which I feel like never happens.

My graph has gone on a pretty gross heater since jumping to 10nl. I've won close to 8 buy-ins in 3k hands. I think there's better players at the level but if you table select the fish are SO much more spewy than at 5nl or 2nl. Overall my 10nl winrate since Nov is 8.58bb/100 over 11k hands which I think is really solid and probably maintainable. We'll see though.

Very nice. Do you feel the time it takes you to play this many hands building is worth every bit of experience you pick up. Whereas a job you could make a $100 in no time and start 5NL i guess.

Well I work part time but its overnight (10pmest-6:30am) so I come home and usually grind out while all the terrible Euro players are on Stars. I actually rarely play during peak hours. Basically poker is what I do in my off time since its the winter and I only work 2 days a week. So it was more of a personal challenge for me to see how few dollars I could build a real BR from. I deposited 15 bucks and figured I'd most likely go bust and then just deposit a 2nl/5nl roll....except I didn't and my roll has grown more than 20x in just two months. It can really show you how quickly you can get out of the penny games if you have a solid game.

I honestly think the fact that I DIDN'T and that I managed to not tilt when my BR hit its lows is how I learned to finally grow as a player. So yes I think 2nl is TOTALLY +ev for a beginning player to cash. There's a reason the level exists. It's the training wheels of cash games I think. You learn the good solid fundamentals of winning poker. If you don't figure it out at first atleast the mistakes don't cost much.

As someone who has tilted off hundreds in mere 10-20 hands I can say it's a lot better to tilt off 3 buy-ins at 2nl and force yourself to grind it back then that feeling of going busto and knowing it's your fault. So yes theres a couple reason why I think it's a good thing to start from the bottom. At the very least you'll appreciate moving up a hell of a lot. It's made 10nl, the stakes I used to donk around at, a totally new exciting thing for me cause I know I can beat this game and now the money is starting to become a bit more tangible. It's fun to sweat 20 dollar pots again after 2nl where a "HUGE" pot is 7bucks.This time I don't have it cause me to lose everything if I lose a flip though .

Cool keep up the good work, GL.

I don't think I'm going to get in much poker over the next 2 days, so I will give my final results post.

I will end this year with anywhere from $2,300-$2,400 in the BR. I started this thread with about $675 and moved up to 25NL at $750. I made a BR management choice that anything higher than 25NL I should really have 50 BIs. I almost achieved my goal of making it 50NL by year end, but just missed. My goal has adjusted to making it to 50NL by the end of January.

Do you guys think I'm being a little too nitty with my BR?

the commander let us off work 6 hours early so today and tomorrow i need to grind 11 hours total and tomorrow is off.. whew.

you are being way too nitty. i think of it this way, you are either beating the limit you moved up to or not. if you can look at your play, $EV, bb/100 and say that you have played solid, you moved up at the right time. if it is unfortunate that you played well and ran like crap and have 50BI for that, whats the point of being that nitty, not like you will run 50BI under $EV. winners will continue to win even though they run bad. it is just the amount you win that makes the difference. i ran like 18BI under $EV for the first 2 weeks of this month, it's probably worse now but luckily, I played decent enough to be breakeven. Unfortunately, that bad run made me play worse than I should of so I could of been 20+ BI this month, but who knows, breaking even and getting RB is a win to me.

I guess, but you know the saying. "Eventually you will run worse then you ever dreamed possible." It's not that I think I will ever run 50BI -ev, but more of a mental thing. I never tilt or ever get upset with losing a BI or even during a 10BI downswing because I know that I have plenty of BIs. However, I'm starting to think I may be too nitty and maybe drop the requirement to 40BIs. I mean some people are playing 100NL on my BR.

I would be playing 100nl with that br.

Musings of mcfals02

Before I start, I want to get something clear. I am not professing to be an expert with this post. I do however think that somewhere along the line a lot of us (me included previously) felt into a rhythm where we stopped trying to play optimally and started playing a fairly robotic game so I thought I'd point out a few things I think the beginner regs are not doing well.

Table selection

Ok. You've heard it a hundred times before. Table selection. Ok, so you're choosing good tables to sit at. High VPIP. High avg pot sizes. You sit down and start to play.

AND THEN YOU DO NOT ADJUST TO THE TABLE DYNAMIC WHATSOEVER.

The number of tables I sit at with a fish playing 100% VPIP and there are 4 other players at the table playing with generally tight ish kinda stats (~20vpip etc). I sit down and 10 mins later their stats are 12/10, mine are 55/45, and the fish has no money left.

You should be trying to play pots with the fish at any opportunity you can. If the fish is playing 100% of hands, you can play 100% of hands, and just outplay them postflop. With those stats listed above, I'm playing almost 5 times as many hands with the fish as they are, which makes it much easier to take their money than tightening up and hoping to have a hand.

Ok. So you have someone like me who is fighting to play heads up by iso-raising the fish as much as they can at your table. What do you do? Start 3-betting the absolute piss out of the them with junk / premiums until they start to adjust, and start calling your medium pair type hands in position and mess with our wide range with generally low postflop value by reraising a bunch on good boards. Float them. Just try to be a general PITA.

Over-reliance on huds

HUDs are good. They help to identify fish, regulars - their tendencies etc. Poker is a game of limited information, so more information is obviously good. But do not assume that because someone is playing 65/55/4 that they are bad (especially over small samples). If they are playing like that on a table full of regs then sure, you can probably call them bad and play appropriately. If however they are playing that loose because they are trying to get into pots with a fish, then you should be careful of your stack off range until you see them go to showdown with someone other than the fish a few times. I know when I am playing my stack off range vs. a fish is super wide, and vs someone who is messing with me it is generally pretty tight. Playing loose means they have a bunch of disguised hands so if you are getting lots of action from someone who is generally tight postflop then you should be strongly considering whether your TPGK is any good.

Will write more later

i play 100nl with less than that. unfortunately im not crushing 100nl nor running good to stay there so i keep moving back down to 50nl. so the consequence for taking a shot, i go back down to my stakes. boohoo, if u beat ur stakes, move up, take shots, fail and come back. rinse and repeat til u go up run good, play good, crush house, make cheeseburgers, nose bleeds, go pro.

there is no point in staying at 25nl unless u need the money. my poker money is recreational money. i use it to play, even tho its not fun, if i have $100, than i have $100. if i have $1000, i have $1000. it doesnt matter if i have a little or a lot, it'll still be recreational money. if it was $10,000 than i could take some of that and actually buy something with it but 4 digits is insignificant so move up til u can make ur stakes significant

Haven't been playing much lately. When I did, it wasn't going well. Just to give you an idea, I'm down 7 buying in my last 10k hands with trips. This almost-month-long downswing was really messing with my play, so I played less and less. Cashed out majority of my roll today, ~700$. I live in a piss poor country, so that's actually quite decent money for me as laughable that may sound to you (a bit more than two minimum monthly wages). Gonna buy a laptop with that .

Now I'll be moving back to Full Tilt, with ~120$ to play with. 5NL, it's been a while. You're going down!

870$ -> 120$ (-cashout)

this hand ruined my day ha... prob should have raised to 3.5 on the flop but man that fish called my 3bet with J9o

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 448133
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SB: $8.50
Hero (BB): $10.25
UTG: $10.00
MP: $10.30
CO: $10.00
BTN: $11.25

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K K
2 folds, CO raises to $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, Hero raises to $1.40, CO calls $1, SB calls $1

Flop: ($4.20) T Q J (3 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, CO folds, SB calls $2

Turn: ($9.20) K (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($11.20) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $11.20
SB shows 9 J (a straight, Nine to King)
Hero mucks K K
SB wins $10.70
(Rake: $0.50)

^^^^^^^

Ruined your whole day? You didn't even lose a whole stack. I would have just jammed the flop. If you are going to continue on this poker journey you really need to get over these trivial hands a lot quicker.

Dude... don't take it so literally. My day is wonderful. I was just saying I had a bad hand.

Thanks for the almost constructive advice though. Maybe he could have found a fold if I had jammed.

I think you are too sensitive. I wasn't trying to be a douche.

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