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08-19-2010 , 11:20 AM
Played about 900 hands and finished up about 2BI. I feel i'm playing pretty well & disciplined. Running well helps too. I'm not making too many mistakes, I feel I only made one when I rivered a flush when board paired and check called a near pot sized bet to see they'd made the boat.

Funny hand for you first. I wouldn't do this against any old person but I know this player and know they're not just some donk who won't fold a flush. It was a case of a game of chicken and I guess I won this round

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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CO: $10.47
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $15.09
BB: $9.72
UTG: $35.66

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A A 8 8
2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: ($0.25) J 9 4 (2 players)
BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.50, BB raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $1.80, BB folds

Final Pot: $1.85
Hero wins $1.76
(Rake: $0.09)

Same villain as above, pretty sick fade by me. The play's very standard so not much to say about it.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BB: $10.47
Hero (UTG): $10.86
MP: $15.04
CO: $8.77
BTN: $10.00
SB: $35.71

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with J 8 J 8
Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.45, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) T J 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, CO raises to $3.40, Hero raises to $10.41 all in, CO calls $4.92 all in

Turn: ($17.69) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($17.69) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $17.69
Hero shows J 8 J 8 (three of a kind, Jacks)
CO shows Q Q 6 K (a pair of Queens)
Hero wins $16.81
(Rake: $0.88)

Running good (or bad) whichever way you want to look at it. Very standard pre-flop play, especially against short stacks.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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UTG: $10.99
CO: $16.91
BTN: $17.63
SB: $4.29
Hero (BB): $15.45

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A 3 A 2
3 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, SB raises to $2.20, Hero raises to $6.60, SB calls $2.09 all in

Flop: ($8.58) 5 Q 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($8.58) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($8.58) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $8.58
SB shows Q A A Q (three of a kind, Queens)
Hero shows A 3 A 2 (a flush, Ace high)
Hero wins $8.16
(Rake: $0.42)
08-19-2010 , 01:02 PM
Hi guys, today was a bad day 3bi down again. Im getting hammered all over the place by variance, its killing me.

1014 hand £34.47 down.

BR £143

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.68)
BB ($10.10)
UTG ($3)
CO ($5.60)
Hero ($10)

Dealt to Hero K A

UTG calls $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.45, SB raises to $1.50, fold, UTG raises to $3 (AI), Hero raises to $10 (AI), SB calls $5.18 (AI)

FLOP ($16.46) 3 5 A

TURN ($16.46) 3 5 A 7

RIVER ($16.46) 3 5 A 7 T

UTG shows 9 9
(Pre 17%, Flop 9.3%, Turn 4.8%)

Hero shows K A
(Pre 36%, Flop 80.9%, Turn 90.5%)

SB shows T T
(Pre 46%, Flop 9.8%, Turn 4.8%)

SB wins $15.37
08-19-2010 , 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
Hi guys, today was a bad day 3bi down again. Im getting hammered all over the place by variance, its killing me.

1014 hand £34.47 down.

BR £143

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.68)
BB ($10.10)
UTG ($3)
CO ($5.60)
Hero ($10)

Dealt to Hero K A

UTG calls $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.45, SB raises to $1.50, fold, UTG raises to $3 (AI), Hero raises to $10 (AI), SB calls $5.18 (AI)

FLOP ($16.46) 3 5 A

TURN ($16.46) 3 5 A 7

RIVER ($16.46) 3 5 A 7 T

UTG shows 9 9
(Pre 17%, Flop 9.3%, Turn 4.8%)

Hero shows K A
(Pre 36%, Flop 80.9%, Turn 90.5%)

SB shows T T
(Pre 46%, Flop 9.8%, Turn 4.8%)

SB wins $15.37
Putting money in behind and losing is not variance. He got you to commit your stack when he had the best hand.
08-19-2010 , 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobFarha
Putting money in behind and losing is not variance. He got you to commit your stack when he had the best hand.
It's a completely standard hand.... ran into the higher end of a shorter stacks range.
08-19-2010 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sputum
367 tournies $422.90 25.88% roi

Was heading for an ofer but cashed in my last one

378 tournies $384.15 22.84% roi
08-19-2010 , 03:09 PM
ugh
08-19-2010 , 03:16 PM
Started BR: 77€ (playing nl.20)
Today: 216€ (still nl.20 but only HU)

When is the right time to move up? A lot of opponents wants to play NL100 with me and even though it brings my appetite it just feels like my downswing can come around at any time.
08-19-2010 , 03:18 PM
....with your BRM you mine as well play them. You'll most likely go bust soon anyway.
08-19-2010 , 03:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
....with your BRM you mine as well play them. You'll most likely go bust soon anyway.
based on?

edit: havent lost a buy-in in two weeks and everyone keeps saying that to me, can someone go lucky for that long?
08-19-2010 , 03:32 PM
Yes
08-19-2010 , 03:38 PM
Played another 900 hands or so and finished up a buy-in. I got cold-decked a little bit but still managed to come out on top from it. So i'm up about 3BI overall for the day over last 1800 hands.

I normally don't raise many hands, but decided to do this one from button. Turn was pretty good giving me 2 flush draws and some how I managed to hit it.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $2.18
CO: $10.00
Hero (BTN): $10.95
SB: $41.60
BB: $9.82
UTG: $11.20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A 7 Q Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.00) 8 T 3 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB raises to $1.80, MP folds, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.60) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.70, SB calls $3.70

River: ($12.00) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.15 all in, SB calls $5.15

Final Pot: $22.30
Hero shows A 7 Q Q (a flush, Ace high)
SB shows Q 2 5 Q (a flush, Jack high)
Hero wins $21.22
(Rake: $1.08)

Pretty sick flop, I decided to get it in due to my redraws.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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SB: $8.89
Hero (BB): $11.43
CO: $10.10
BTN: $17.11

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 7 7 J J
2 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 6 8 7 (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, SB raises to $4.17, Hero raises to $11.13 all in, SB calls $4.42 all in

Turn: ($17.78) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($17.78) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $17.78
SB shows A 5 8 3 (a flush, Nine high)
Hero shows 7 7 J J (a flush, Jack high)
Hero wins $16.90
(Rake: $0.88)

One of those hands I hate in PLO. I didn't put villain on the nut flush draw on flop and thought he'd have raised turn. Once river hits I know there's 7/13 diamonds out there, so only 6 left and villain has to hold the A so I thought I may be ahead but maybe it's a check call as I don't beat anything other than a bluff which pumps it up on the river.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $7.16
CO: $16.87
BTN: $9.81
SB: $9.60
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $12.21

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 2 K 6 K
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20, MP calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 2 7 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.95) Q (3 players)
Hero bets $0.70, MP calls $0.70, CO folds

River: ($2.35) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, MP raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3.20

Final Pot: $11.35
MP shows A J Q 9 (a flush, Ace high)
Hero mucks 2 K 6 K
MP wins $10.79
(Rake: $0.56)
08-19-2010 , 03:41 PM
ugh, forum bullies, someone with some constructive criticism?
08-19-2010 , 03:43 PM
Post hands and we'll be happy to help Blane was just pointing out that a standard downswing can easily wipe out your bankroll at the stakes you are playing ....(if you are willing to redeposit or whatever.. then ignore what blane said)
08-19-2010 , 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
Post hands and we'll be happy to help Blane was just pointing out that a standard downswing can easily wipe out your bankroll at the stakes you are playing ....(if you are willing to redeposit or whatever.. then ignore what blane said)
we are talking about 20 cents big blinds and buy in with 20€ and I have played some nl10 too but its pretty much the same but there are to many shortstacks playing shortstack games there and it feels more like a risk to play bingo imo. With my rakeback my roll will probably be around 260-280 at the beginning of september.

edit: Will post my hands to, just got a bit lazy these last days :P
08-19-2010 , 03:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by helldonk
ugh, forum bullies, someone with some constructive criticism?
You have a lot more information than you have given us.
How many have you won in a row? How bad would busting your roll be? What are you aiming for? etc etc

Last edited by sputum; 08-19-2010 at 03:48 PM. Reason: ups
08-19-2010 , 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by helldonk
based on?

edit: havent lost a buy-in in two weeks and everyone keeps saying that to me, can someone go lucky for that long?
Yes.



That's a graph of possible winning/losing streak for a player who we know is a -5bb/100 longterm loser, has a standard deviation of 80bb/100. Despite the fact that we know this player is a loser long term, over 20k hands he is still able to run hot and end up about 22BIs, which is 11bb/100 which many people would assume indicates he is a good player and is crushing this game.
08-19-2010 , 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sputum
You have a lot more information than you have given us.
How many have you won in a row? How bad would busting your roll be? What are you aiming for? etc etc
Well I aim to comfortably build my roll and on, since I already have an income I have no plans to take my money out (maybe if i get enough to buy one of those ibooks but that's a lot). I have tiltbusted once around 70€ but i took a week of with training my body (weights) & and watching a lot of pokervids so I have more or less learned to not tilt away if on a downswing (I hope :P, but im not an addict that has to play back his lost money wich was kind of my game before when playing SnGs)

I have no graph but here's some stats on my HU (and some Fullring) one week after my downswing where I lost more than half of my roll:

Reference Date Type Amount Balance
200197 2010-08-19 20:45 From pokertables 89.22 216.05
Huittinen Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-19 20:44 Cash in chips 51.86 89.22
Parkano Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-19 20:44 Cash in chips 37.36 37.36
Parkano Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-19 20:19 Buy chips -5.77 0
Parkano Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-19 20:13 Buy chips -5.23 5.77
Parkano Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-19 20:10 Buy chips -4.00 11.00
Parkano Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-19 19:35 Buy chips -20.00 15.00
Huittinen Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-19 19:35 Buy chips -20.00 35.00
200172 2010-08-19 19:35 To pokertables -55.00 126.83
Akaa Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 21:38 Cash in chips 38.47 105.25
Woodland Hills Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 21:38 Cash in chips 31.37 66.78
200012 2010-08-18 21:38 From pokertables 105.25 181.83
Akaa Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 21:26 Buy chips -20.00 35.41
Woodland Hills Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 21:24 Buy chips -20.00 55.41
Vaajakoski Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 21:19 Cash in chips 49.08 75.41
Woodinville Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 21:19 Cash in chips 26.33 26.33
Vaajakoski Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 20:55 Buy chips -22.75 0
Woodinville Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 20:53 Buy chips -20.00 22.75
Vaajakoski Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 20:53 Cash in chips 22.75 42.75
Vaajakoski Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 20:50 Buy chips -20.00 20.00
199999 2010-08-18 20:49 To pokertables -40.00 76.58
199902 2010-08-18 14:46 From pokertables 31.77 116.58
Velkua Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-18 05:08 Cash in chips 27.59 31.77
Velkua Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-18 04:40 Buy chips -4.95 4.18
Velkua Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-18 04:31 Buy chips -3.14 9.13
Velkua Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-18 04:27 Buy chips -10.00 12.27
Velkua Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-18 04:24 Buy chips -10.00 22.27
Vammala Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 03:40 Cash in chips 18.27 32.27
Vammala Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 03:31 Buy chips -6.00 14.00
Vammala Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-18 03:23 Buy chips -10.00 20.00
199819 2010-08-18 03:22 To pokertables -30.00 84.81
199665 2010-08-17 16:58 From pokertables 44.15 114.81
Woodbury Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-17 16:20 Cash in chips 44.15 44.15
Woodbury Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-17 15:35 Buy chips -6.00 0
Woodbury Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-17 15:33 Buy chips -20.00 6.00
199652 2010-08-17 15:32 To pokertables -26.00 70.66
199507 2010-08-16 21:05 From pokertables 12.52 96.66
199506 2010-08-16 21:05 From pokertables 42.07 84.14
Veteli Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-16 21:04 Cash in chips 6.79 54.59
Veteli Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-16 20:48 Buy chips -5.00 47.80
Woodlake Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-16 20:27 Cash in chips 42.95 52.80
Woodlake Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-16 20:14 Buy chips -20.00 9.85
Ylivieska Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-16 18:01 Cash in chips 21.85 29.85
Ylivieska Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-16 17:57 Buy chips -10.00 8.00
Ylivieska Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-16 17:53 Buy chips -12.00 18.00
199455 2010-08-16 17:53 To pokertables -30.00 42.07
199380 2010-08-16 14:44 From pokertables 41.07 72.07
Zwaag Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-16 14:34 Cash in chips 14.54 41.07
Essvik Hold'em NL 0.10/0.20 2010-08-16 14:29 Cash in chips 10.03 26.53
Spijkenisse Hold'em NL 0.05/0.10 2010-08-16 14:25 Cash in chips 16.50 16.50
199218 2010-08-16 13:43 To pokertables -33.00 31.00

Ok it was only in 3 days and I could have gone lucky but I doubt it since I have played against a lot of different opponents and build a tactic after their game, havent lost on match at all. But enough narcissism, I need some advice to improve my game cause I nearly lost half my chips to a weaktight this evening (buying in a lot on parkano at the top).

Last edited by helldonk; 08-19-2010 at 04:09 PM.
08-19-2010 , 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jagghund
Yes.



That's a graph of possible winning/losing streak for a player who we know is a -5bb/100 longterm loser, has a standard deviation of 80bb/100. Despite the fact that we know this player is a loser long term, over 20k hands he is still able to run hot and end up about 22BIs, which is 11bb/100 which many people would assume indicates he is a good player and is crushing this game.
I see, thx for posting that graph and it could explain my game. So now that I have started playing HU and being a winning player, that game could be weak to? What's is the problem with breakeven- players and biggest weaknesses?
08-19-2010 , 04:15 PM
Many new players get a bit overconfident after a good run and move up very quickly but your opponents could be really bad also.
I'd keep on doing what you're doing and give this never tilting thing time to bed in. But you can take more of a gamble also. It's your money.
08-19-2010 , 04:17 PM
+9 4tabling 10nl full ring.. bankroll $174 200 hands dealt
08-19-2010 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sputum
Many new players get a bit overconfident after a good run and move up very quickly but your opponents could be really bad also.
I'd keep on doing what you're doing and give this never tilting thing time to bed in. But you can take more of a gamble also. It's your money.
That's the prob when im tilting, I suddenly se A5s as the nuts and move in pre-flop.

My range on the buttons is almost anything expet for heavy gappers off-suit and sometimes diss suited heavy gappers. I raise with any broadwaycard (maybe an exception for X2os mostly) , I shift in raising minimum to pot.

of position i dont play unsuited broadway+lowcard, A2os 1/3 times and 2-3 gappers 1/3 times, or else its pretty much the same.

3bet range depending on villain, how many hands does he play, is his range wide enough maybe mine is too e.t.c. I tend though to always be more aggressive pre & postflop in risk of being bullied.
08-19-2010 , 04:27 PM
well you got to got to got to not tilt. That goes both ways, a good three days might be tilting you into moving up if that makes sense. Just take it as it comes for a bit nad play well all the time and go from there. Or not
08-19-2010 , 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sputum
well you got to got to got to not tilt. That goes both ways, a good three days might be tilting you into moving up if that makes sense. Just take it as it comes for a bit nad play well all the time and go from there. Or not
ok, I am going to take a break for 1-2 days (watching some HU vids) before entering the same room again now that I am overconfident after my streak, maybe I'll post some more hands til then.
08-19-2010 , 04:39 PM
So you are (formerly..maybe?)tilt prone with a short roll and actually thought you were properly rolled. I stand by my original point. You're doing what I used to do which is go "I'm good at the game, I know I can beat these donks" but never factoring in the variance that is inherit in the game itself.

I wasn't trying to bully just merely pointing out that with the amount of ROR you have with only that amount you mine as well play the guys if you think you have an edge since you are basically shot taking from the get go. Just be prepared to ride the luckbox...whichever direction it may go
08-19-2010 , 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
So you are (formerly..maybe?)tilt prone with a short roll and actually thought you were properly rolled. I stand by my original point. You're doing what I used to do which is go "I'm good at the game, I know I can beat these donks" but never factoring in the variance that is inherit in the game itself.

I wasn't trying to bully just merely pointing out that with the amount of ROR you have with only that amount you mine as well play the guys if you think you have an edge since you are basically shot taking from the get go. Just be prepared to ride the luckbox...whichever direction it may go
Well if you know my game cuz u been there yourself I gotta have som great leaks that u know of. How do I read about variance to fully understand the meaning of it, what equipment do I need etc.? I'll google ROR.

ps: former opium addict that could explain my game back then. But i rarely smoke weed nowadays (and anything besides that, even alcohol).

ROR: should one-table with one buy-in at a time til my roll is 500€? (or two table half-buy in without re-buys)

      
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