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BTN push - calling with AK? BTN push - calling with AK?

02-01-2017 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by #41tomp
I hate flips though for my whole stack, if he's holding a pair I'm behind. Why is it a call?
It sounds like you are playing tournys/SNGs?

You will have to get used to coin flips so start learning now. At low stakes it's your bread and butter because villains will make a lot of bad shoves and bad calls to your shoves.

Villain can shove a wide range on the button because most of the time he gets folds from the SB and BB.

Therefore you can be damn sure you are ahead of his range with AKo and you call.

Versus most of his shoving hands you are ahead. AA and KK are unlikely because you are already holding one of each. If he turns up with either of those don't beat yourself up about it remember you made the right call and that's what matters long term.

If he has QQ, JJ etc yes you are behind but not by that much. You will still get you ace or king a good amount of the time.

Hope that helps.
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02-01-2017 , 01:16 PM
Yeah it's tournaments! And when I get in control of myself, very low-stakes tournaments

Thank you - my question ended up morphing into more of a discussion of why calling like this was beneficial (rather than waiting till I 'knew' I was ahead, like hitting TPTK/a set/ TP etc).

As far as I now understand, just-over-flips are basically always calls because you should be going for the win, rather than conserving your stack and cashing up one or two places higher. It seemed counter-intuitive to me at first, but I can see the logic behind it. I like, where possible, knowing I've got money on a sure bet, so I would much rather have many small increases (betting a big sports team to beat a non-leaguer) than a 55-45 flipper. But I'm trying to think more and more that it is a good call, because the payjumps are so big at that point and over time it pays much better to call than fold. If I've misinterpreted, someone slap me down please
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02-01-2017 , 04:01 PM
^^^ Also, taking these 'just over flips' is where your small edge will show over time, as long as you consistently take that 55-45 opportunity. Think long term! (as hard as it is to do when in a downswing)
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02-01-2017 , 04:12 PM
Since I actually have no idea what he is openshoving since I assume he has a raise-call strategy as well but I've attempted to make a range that I think he might openjam to avoid having to call a shove. So that's basically a sklansky vs 15bb and 20bb which I don't know exactly actually.

Now you're looking at something like:

99-44, ATs-A2s, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, AJo-A7o, KJo+

You need to type this in equilab to visualize this but basically these are the hands that have enough equity to shove but aren't thrilled about raising and then calling for various reasons. Almost nobody jams TT-AA here because they want action. AKo has 65% against that so that's a pretty big edge. If you include pairs up to QQ the equity doesn't chance much because they're basically flips and it goes to 62,5%. Even if you also incude KK/AA you still have 61% because of all your blockers. I've excluded AJs+/AQo because that's a happy raise-call but if he happens to jam with it your equity goes up obviously.

Even if he plays some weird 22+/AQ+ only you have 47% which is still a call if accounted for blinds and antes.
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02-05-2017 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by #41tomp
That's awesome. I know it sounds stupid (well actually given what you said maybe not), but I've played a few games recently and not done very well, and I'm doubting myself. I way over-committed my month's very limited bankroll (as in, 1/2 on one game haha) because I wasn't being disciplined whatsoever. I'm gonna leave it a month while I get university work out the way and come back to poker, and really get stuck into it.

I've not started reading yet, or got a HUD yet because my next month is so busy. When I think about poker rationally, I can see that I'm investing money in something I'm not 'qualified' in - like betting on basketball games that I know nothing about (which I've recently stopped doing!!!!) or investing in the stock market when I've not researched the company (not done this yet, don't plan to). All are equally silly.

So I need to pull my head out my *rse, realize that I know next-to-nothing and get down to studying and diligently practising rather than putting 1/2 my month's bankroll on one game... after next month's university work anyway

I think there are a few obviously leaks in my game, aside from the HUGE ones of not having the basic knowledge down (ie from reading) or having no HUD, both of which I will fix beginning in March. I think:
- I get too attached to hands, find it hard to believe other players have hit on a dry board
- I get annoyed by losing to wide-range-players too easily, then move up instead of down and as a result lose my bankroll
- I don't play methodically. Linked to my bankroll but more to my play; I play my good hands and then when I've not had a decent hand in a while I start to raise with crap. (Does everyone here play several tables at once? I feel this could help with this issue.) I have a friend who uses a HUD and who said I have a low VPIP I think, or the one that determines your activity PF anyway, and I'm quite low, but I still need to tighten up for sure.
- I try to win most pots I'm involved with, and some of the time it obviously doesn't work, and some of the time I will be holding crap based on the last point!

Parts of these issues can be helped with a HUD and by reading, but I need to be more disciplined in my play and emotions. But I guess by reading and chatting on here, these can be overcome too. I think my conclusion is that I need to commit myself to studying properly... which I will begin after uni work!

You're right, I think I am somebody who works hard, and I guess when I study diligently this will naturally have better results than I do at present!

Also, what happened on Black Friday, is that when poker stopped being allowed in the US? I'm from the UK...
and 154 IQ is fairly high, I love IQ tests. I might even do one today in my break.
1. VPIP is an acronym for Voluntarily Put (chips or money) In Pot. It basically tells what percentage of your hands you play. A tight amateur will typically play about 10% of his hands but, for a profit-maximizing pro it's usually around 20%, but those numbers can vary widely depending on the situation. If I'm in the middle of a limpfest where I'm getting good odds to limp with suited connectors, two broadways, suited aces or any other two decent cards, I sometimes play as many as 35% of my hands until the situation changes.

You can almost always find out whatever you need to know on Google. There are videos or posts on everything from how a HUD works to how to play suited connectors to how to fix a toilet. Here is a guide to the most commonly used HUD statistics:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/strateg...pponents-Stats


2. Yes, Black Friday is when the major poker sites available in the US were taken down. We can still play online but the sites aren't nearly as good. I was actually online when it happened and the FBI logo filled up my screen.

EDIT: In the US we can't access Party Poker, PokerStars, Full Tilt, or any of the other major sites. One of the sites that I play on has such low traffic that it's hard to find a tournament with 100 players.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2016/...ater-24506.htm
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02-05-2017 , 06:32 AM
Pretty sure I'm calling AJ in that spot, snip snap AK. New players often don't realize how strong AK is. Mess around with equilab for a while; you should definitely learn something.
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02-05-2017 , 01:20 PM
Thanks guys. Yeah I wasn't sure if it was the VPIP acronym or another one that meant your PF activity (because 'VPIP' could mean donk bets or any sort of bets as well, if you take the acronym literally.) So many acronyms flying around here!!!

I'm gonna start trialling HUDs in March when I'm able to spend more time training and reading / thinking about poker. Tonnes of essays to write at the moment!
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02-06-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by #41tomp
Thanks guys. Yeah I wasn't sure if it was the VPIP acronym or another one that meant your PF activity (because 'VPIP' could mean donk bets or any sort of bets as well, if you take the acronym literally.) So many acronyms flying around here!!!

I'm gonna start trialling HUDs in March when I'm able to spend more time training and reading / thinking about poker. Tonnes of essays to write at the moment!
Yes, V(oluntarily)PIP means every time that you have a choice, in other words, everything you put in the pot other than the blinds.
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