Ok ...i seem to read the same old rules all over again and nothing mostly about BR regarding multitabling. I am especially interested at micro and low stakes

10 NL / 25 NL / 50 NL

Assume we have Fergusson strategy ...or whichever else ..percentually.
5 % of BR max buyin and cashout the table at 10% of BR

Is this also valid if the player was to play lets say 5 tables at once ? thus involving up to 25-50% of his BR ? and imo its not the same if one plays 1 table with 5% BR or plays 5 at the same time ...the marginal return rate diminishes eventually for everybody at some point ... (i guess only elky can multitable 40 + and still be profitable :P)

How about when one multitables 10
lets assume BR 500 ...5% - 1 buy in 25NL
i figure 500 definitely isnt safe for 10 tables since its 250 = 50% and a big tilt might destroy 2-3 tables quickly in bad cases.

what do u think use suggest ?? thx

Your risk of ruin is the same no matter how many tables you play so your bankroll management should be the same whether you are playing 1 or 10 tables. You can't really play 20 tables with 20 buyins but even if you are, your risk of ruin will be the same as if you were playing 1.

I slightly disagree with you here.
As you said you cant even play 20tables at once with the same BR that can be used to play 20tables one by one.(you can but its not the same)

How about tilting ? Or just minor downswings... I hardly imagine a one table at a time player who could in this manner lose lets say 4buyins over 10 minutes... While at 14 tables at once this occurs from time to time to any regular i believe (correct me if im wrong)

+bonus lets consider one of the many other impacts of multitabling... Missclicks and such pains.... -5% of a br which happens often to mtablers and very rarely when less tables are involved.
Etc etc

Right now i am confused because personally i dont know what would be a safe BR management plan when multitabling but i guess only 5% isnt enough since you need to account for multitabling factors which increase risk and rarely occur to one tableatonce players...
Any more ideeas pls?

It's the same thing. I play 6-8 tables and I've never once lost 4BI's over 10mins. You have one guy that plays 100k hands playing only 1table and a guy that plays 100k multitabling they'll have the same exact swings.

Maybe im a sicko but my swings go up and down sometimes 4-5buyins at 25NL in less than 15 minutes while playing 11-12 tables... Just to clarify that means win or lose off est 100-125$ in 15 mins.

You never run like that? I dont say its all the time but i run like this every once in a week or so. Sometimes over sometimes under but in general close below my all in adj ev

And in such a case being that is a 25% BR according to 5% is 25$ here

I play cash so not so sure on BR guidelines for SNG and MTT. However....

The idera of multitabling with 5% buyin is insane. 20 tables has your entire BR on the table at once. One power outage, blue screen of death etc. and your at the mercy of stars to hopefully refund as portion of your BR.

The only issue I see here is that when you bring your whole BR at the tables (when you open 25 tables on a 25 BI bankroll) is that you can't rebuy as much. If one table loses a stack, you have to close it.

Well that means you lost 5BI in 100 hands? This is definitely possible but shouldn't be happening that often. Have you ever lost 5BI playing one table for an hour? It's the same thing, all relative.

Yep iowanizer that was the first thing i meant

@beermonster .. As i said me too .. I also play cg i play nl 25$.. How do u manage br?


Thats the thing i wud never lose 5 bi in one hour at one table. I would stop and reconsider but with so many tables i see this as relatively normal variance and thus need to find a suitable br but i dont know how much to be ehm safer

And also at 11/12 tables fullring in 15 mins i clock in some more than 100 hands its about 160-190 depending on time of play

Almost this. Your RoR is the same regardless of tables, all else being equal. If your winrate drops because you have increased the amount of tables then your RoR also increases.

My BR guidelines are fairly nitty as I'm mixing 6max with HU. If I was playing purely 6max at NL25 or higher I'd go with 35+ buyins.

The days of surviving on a 20 buyin BR are no more. In short-handed games the swings are too huge even at seemingly low stakes.

At Nl100 I've had an 18 BI downswing purely at 6max holdem already this year. Amazingly I'm still up for the year to date. This happened over approx 3000 hands, There was a small amount of tilt involved but it was mainly runbad and coolers. Personally, never experienced somethign liek that and it was frankly pretty scary. Especially after pouring over the hands for hours and realising that most of my decisions were ok. There were a few slightly bad decisions from tilt once it started but this was mainly just simple runbad and coolers.

It's given me a new perspective on BRM in todays's super-aggressive 6max games.

Ok ...so i seem to be the only one agreeing with Beermonster that going in with a 5% (500$ BR roll on 25NL 10 tables having in 250 at once ...half your BR is complete madness !!

Thanks for the tip man ...i guess ill go with 35 for now ...or at least try to.
and when would you/did you move up ?

beacause i assume since the higher stake is higher in difficulty (prob not definitely) and maybe in variance than 35*50$ = 1750$ would be a small and risky roll to start 10 tabling 50NL ???

Because all your tables are completely independent from each other (or at least if you have self-control they should be), you're not actually risking more. You're simply getting hands in faster.

That said, the 20 buy-in rule for micro stakes that was standard couple years ago is now considered aggressive shot-taking

Slightly disagree here.

If were playing 20 tables compared to, say 4, our edge is conciderably smaller (were making more mistakes, more mis clicks, missing some clear +++ev spots, missing spots to make solid fold and missing out on some thin value). Which results in a smaller win rate, which results in more swings which make a higher risk of ruin...

20-40Bi is fine for the micros as long as your playing <8 tables - 10 if you can handle it.

Most helpful post of the year here ladies and gentlemen....

Hey guys,

new to here, but have been playing on Stars for a while.

I generally play 6 tables, but have bumped it upto 15 tables depending how bored i am.

I def have had times where i've lost 2 buy-ins instantly on 2 diff tables and then proceeded to tilt. In fact yesterday i lost 6-8 buy-ins in approx 10 mins.

When you go on tilt, you aren't playing your A-game, when you aren't playing your A-game, you lose, When you aren't playing your A-game and playing 10+ tables, you are going to lose at a much faster rate than just 1 table...

the tables are independent from each other to an extent. Tilt, mindset and game flow against other regs cross multiple tables however. Your A game, B and and C game follow you across all tables. Essentially when your game is off it can be disastrous on a large number of tables.