Hello,

I am now mostly playing at a quite a minor site in terms of active players. I was told by my cousin who has played there for about 3 years at med-high stakes that there are bots active on this site and I had to agree with him they are very easy to recognize, they don't reply ever, they take the same time on every table on all their actions, all of the bots play exactly the same (there are like 8 of them or atleast that we know of).

They play a very aggressive strategy, sometimes they sqz K3s or every low suited kings and if you come for a back-raise they might just shove, I am not saying it is a good strategy, it's just how they play. They 3bet ALOT, they just take odd decisions, sometimes they are very stationy and other times they seem like massive nits (talking postflop here). They like to call down sometimes with high cards when you do a delayed cbet, but having said that there are still days where they just don't do that so it's just is not that exploitable.

For the people that think I should firstly report these bots before trying to beat them, I and my cousin already have. Support just replies with your generic "Oh we're really sorry you have to experience this we will look into this further" that basic BS so when that dosen't work I guess I should find a way to exploit these guys who run these bots.

I tried to battle them HU. So the thing is the first bots appear at NL10 and they breed all the way up to NL500, or atleast that's the stakes we saw them playing at. Me being NL10 player as I said I decided to battle them HU, which I was advised not to do by my cousin.

He said you are not that good heads up (and I am not, I can agree to that for sure) and he says he is quite good I am not the one to tell you who is very good at that format of poker and who is not but he's a winning player so I believe him when he says that at best you will break even playing them heads up.

But the thing is my cousin is VERY GTO almost religiously so. I think going with a strategy based on what the bot does and countering it would makes sense here, even tho I just play GTO myself all the time. So having thought of this as I said I decided to try it, I mean it's surely not a good sample size it's about 8 hours combined from all 3 sessions.

The result was that I was about 3.5 buy-ins up. As I said it might just be because of the sample size and a few coolers here and there so it does not say much. But what I learned was while in the BB the bot likes to bet big pot or 80% OTT ALOT when being checked back to OTF. Also the bot likes too cbet way to much on boards with low numbers in 3bet pots, but it is hard to exploit since he 3bets alot of hands and they include hands with low numbers, which I countered pretty well with 4beting alot.

I can't learn any more stuff from this experiment since he's stuck or it's master just sits out when I enter the table, it happened 3 times in three days I don't think he's scared of me or anything I am really not that good I would say I am bad to okay at Heads up as I said. I am better at 4way or 3way poker but that's besides the point.

What I am getting at is that okay, even if the bot is "scared" of me now there are still many, many bots at NL25 which is where I will go when I am done at NL10. There is only one bot at NL10 but there are 3 of them at NL25. They do not collude. But they are a problem.

So from all of these notes that I typed since the site does not support HUDS what are some of the advice you could give me, maybe someone crushes bot's? I think there is a way to beat them HU and Multiway I just think me and my cousin don't know what it is so far. If you need any questions answered in order to help me feel free to leave them bellow I will gladly answer.

P.S I decided put this thread up here because I did not find any better place to put it.

This does not sound very bot-like. Mainly because the strategy varies frequently.

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Kahn

I appreciate you showing interest in the topic I presented. I think the thing with this aspect is that, they mostly call down on A high or K high boards, when the flops are for example A72 or K93 these now very connected boards, this as I said only happens when you shut down, like if you cbet on the A high board and shut down on the turn, they will overcall on the river, but that's not that exploitable since, the bot can get there if you check the turn a lot and the pot is not that big because you don't bet the turn so you don't make that much. The thing is it is really hard to do research since HUDs are not allowed. I think it varies. They decide on what cards are presented to them if they will do these silly things. I can assure you though anyone that plays there knows who are bots and who are not I am some times even shocked by older players telling me that they know all about this and they never took any action.

Enter key for the love of god

I think most of the smaller networks have bot problems with operators showing various levels of interest in doing something about them.

That said, I agree with kahn:

Maybe your description of their play is not very accurate or they use some weird randomizers.

FWIW, the behavior you describe on Axx/Kxx flops is extremely easy to exploit. Shove river with hands that are ahead of their range, check back everything else.

As far as what you can do about them: report them to the website or try to get better at poker. If they play as bad as you say, that should be possible. If they aren’t that bad, try to avoid them.

The thing here is that they don't like calling a shove they seem to like and way overcall pot sized and 80% type bets on the river, in the situations that I was talking about. I am trying to exploit it

They are good. I would say they are too good for me to know how to exploit but I think people who are a lot better could crush them, that's what I think. That's why I came up with the idea to create this thread

I probably did an awful job explaining their behaviour

in any case you are not going to make big money off of the bots. so dont play in their games or sites that have them all over.

and as in any game if someone is outplaying you play much tighter against them. it is always harder to beat a bigger hand in a pot especially if they dont know you have it..

If you're worried about bots, play live.

Oh, trust me I would if the law allowed me too