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11-14-2012 , 06:39 PM
So I was bored and made a spreadsheet to check expected income from micro stakes up to 1knl.

Here it is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...pZWxYNlE#gid=0

You can make a copy or download as excel so you can modify it. Type in a realistic amount of tables and hours a week you can play and it will show your weekly profit and amount of weeks it will be before you win enough to move up.

The intent here is not to discourage or to get people to think of weekly "income" from poker.

It's just so people who ask the income/winrate questions a lot here can get a rough idea what to expect.

So if you are starting out I'd suggest maybe put in 1 or 2 tables and 10-12 hours a week.

At 2nl that's around $6 a week you can expect to win and 10 weeks before you move to 5nl (with 20 buy ins).

As a default I put a relatively high win rate for 2nl. A beginners high win rate. Some good players might crush it for 40-50bb/100 or whatever.

Also I made it so the winrates drop real fast to 2bb/100. This might look too low but based on a lot of reading this is what most winning players seem to be beating stakes at, especially if multi tabling.

You can edit the win rates also if you have more reliable data than me.
This is all based on 80 hands per hour at a table. If what game you play has more or less you can edit that in column N, it's greyed out to not distract.

Hopefully some beginners might get a fast and realistic (sort of) expectations of poker and realise there's a lot of hard work to get good.

Let me know if you think I should edit any the values or if useless and I'll take it down.
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11-14-2012 , 10:56 PM
Who plays 2 tables?
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11-15-2012 , 04:25 AM
There's actually a lot of people play less tables and it is recommended by many high stakes pros to play fewer tables while learning.
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11-15-2012 , 09:10 AM
I play on 2 tables because thats all I can manage for now
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11-15-2012 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dean_nolan1
There's actually a lot of people play less tables and it is recommended by many high stakes pros to play fewer tables while learning.

You shouldn't need an income calculator if you are learning then.
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11-15-2012 , 09:28 AM
You did see you can edit the cell that has 2 tables right?

Also yeah no one should think that when learning but people on here ask all the time.

If they could quickly see what is expected then they might approach learning and playing a little different.
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11-15-2012 , 09:46 AM
This is wrong in a sense that it promotes results oriented play (which many beginners are guilty of). But nevertheless, it is an amazing tool. thanks a lot
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11-15-2012 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LTU Westham
This is wrong in a sense that it promotes results oriented play (which many beginners are guilty of). But nevertheless, it is an amazing tool. thanks a lot
Thanks, wasn't sure how useful it might be but I was thinking say you are a 50nl player but have a full time job and out of work commitments it would be good to get a rough idea of when you expect to move up based on inputing how many tables you are comfortable playing and the actual hours you know you can play.

You can then maybe see if to reach any goals you may have achieved that it is either worth putting in more hours or learning to play more tables.

Also new players can play with putting in 24 tables at 5nl and a lot of hours to see what might be an attractive profit but also see that playing 25nl for half time on just a quarter of tables might give the same result therefore they might concentrate on learning the game more to reach that level instead.
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11-15-2012 , 11:03 AM
Thanks for sharing!
I would treat it somewhat cautiosly as it can plant wrong ideas for beginners. If you play the micros it's nearly irrelevant how long you need to move up. What is important is that you learn the game. You are not playing to pay any bills anyway.

Also the impact of variance is so huge in poker that it is not advisable to plan anything like "in 5 weeks I will move up to the next limit". Only thing that you can try to make plans for imo are number of hands you want to play within a given period and the amount of effort & time you want to put into learning the game. As with many things in life, the outcome is very uncertain.
Also I think the winrates you put are achievable but probably way too optimistic for beginning players.

With all these caveats however, I still think it is great to have a nice spreadsheet to have a rough idea of how high your average winnings/week would be given certain parameters, and I can definetly appreciate the effort you put into this.
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11-15-2012 , 02:31 PM
Thanks OP.
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11-15-2012 , 02:32 PM
most people in BQ dont have a big enough sample to know their winrate.
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