So after 2 or so years of online poker playing all over the stakes, I have decided to get serious. (Insert quips here) Quick ?'s and serious answers only please. This is my first post but I have been a vistor to the forums so I know how some of you are. I would like to start at microstakes to make sure I am a winning player, so here we go. What is a proper bankroll for 2NL 5NL and 10 NL. When should you move up? When should you move back down if unsuccessful? If successful, how long should it take to build a roll to jump up? Should I play full ring or 6max? FTP or Stars? How many tables? Is there a way to get rakeback on an existing FTP account? That should cover it for now. As stated I have played for awhile and am generally break even. My downfall has been playing whatever looks the best for that day. If I stick to a stake I do fine, but I gain some confidence move up and blammo, my stack is gone because my AA gets cracked by QQ, (which is exactly why they invented BR management I presume). Thanks in advance for answers.

I think 20 buy ins is a good start.

Deposit 40 $. Thats 20 buy'ins for NL 2

Start with 1 table FR NL2. When you can beat that, because you are making the right decisions the majority of the time, then add a few more tables upto maximum 4.

When you have 100$ ( 20 BI's for NL5 move up there)

If you go below 80 $ move back down to NL 2 and repeat the process.

If you reach 200 $ move up to NL 10. and then from there everytime you have at least 20BI's for the next level you can move up.

Do not play Poker because you want to win a lot of money fast. Because you wont do it. Play because you enjoy the game. Focus on learning the basics.

Learn not to tilt.
Learn to take advantage of position.
Learn how to read context of the boards
Learn how to take advantage of the other players betting patterns.
Learn wich cards to play. Depending on table dynamics.

If you are better than average joe you may be able to make a few pocket money, and eventually as the time pass by, you may reach a point where the money becomes meaningfull. But thats a very long road you have ahead of you.

The proper bankroll for a given stake is the amount such that your stack size as a percentage of your total bankroll is never greater than your edge at that particular stake.

Hi all
I won $400 Dollars on AP Tourney , and would like to cash out (Hate AP software) and start playing 6max 10NL.
The 2 Sites i have picked are Doyle`s Room(Have Rakeback) & Full Tilt Poker (Rakeback Not Possible-Signed through an Affiliate) so i would like to break the bankroll between the 2 sites $200 on each site.

In The Process of reading Harrington Online 6 Max & Ryan Fee`s Ebook, i also have Small Stakes No-Limit Hold’em that i just bought of Amazon.

Has anyone got any tips,Pointers on what else i should Consider?

Deposit bonuses. It may be better to just deposit a lump some all on one to get a larger deposit bonus.

Good choice cashing out of UB

I play on Fulltilt, but you should not if you can't get rakeback.

Is $1.60 enough to play the 6-max $.02/$.04 limit hold'em tables on Poker Stars. Is the variance there high enough where it is common to lose $0.80 in one sitting (with a pretty sensible, conservative style)?

seriously dude?

this is the beginner's forum dumbass. . **** off

Sure it's enough.. since you really don't have much other choice. Hope to run hot early though.. 40 bb's can go really quick.

i took a freeroll cash of 3.00 to 100 once. so yes it can be done

Hi,

Im pretty new to the forum and seem to have found that im starting to improve my game and winning slowly, by grinding out the lower stakes.

I have had a look at some plans on how to move up the stakes by not risking much of your bankroll and made an excel document.

I would be muchly greatful if someone could have a look at it for me and see if its okay and whether it would work or not.

I know its hard to believe i will ever reach such stakes but if i was to follow my plan and learn, would it work.

Thanks

Abz

All it takes to make it to the nosebleeds is a spreadsheet, just ask Bandichime.

40 buy ins? Is 20 buy ins not enough??

20 buy-ins is fine if you're prepared to move down when you lose.

Very prepared.

The standard BRM for online cash games is 30+ BIs, which can be easily sustainable even if you deposit $100 into an account, with 2NL + 5NL.

But since the lowest live stakes are 1/2, what would be a reasonable BRM, I doubt a lot of live players are following a BRM as strict as they would at online play.

Also wondering how often people stack off at 1/2 live, compared to the micros of online play.

if you are a winner at 50nl 6m online, I would say you could comfortably start at 1/2 live with 1,000 dollars. maybe take your first shot at 2/5 when you get up 2500 bucks.

people are nuts 1/2 live. I have sat at numerous tables that the average open was $20+, so they stack off with crap regularly.

Why would you suggest moving up to 2/5 with $2.5k when that's not even a sufficient bankroll for 1/2?

I've played a decent amount of hours playing 1/2 in the casino and I see no reason to think you're any less vulnerable live as opposed to online. Not many people have an extra $4k lying around to start a bankroll with so it's logical to think that people playing live on a regular basis start out underrolled but that doesn't mean it's ideal. Variance doesn't cut you a break because you're not online. It's still poker and you're still going to experience the same swings. I think what may fool people is that you play only a fraction of the hands considering the pace and inability to multi-table so losses don't come at you so fast.

If anything there are more possibilities to get all-in considering the preflop raises are not 3x meaning SPR is a lot lower on average when you see a flop making it easier to get all-in postflop. There are plenty of $300-$400 pots every night where I play and when you're only seeing 25 hands or so per hour that's a pretty high ratio compared to online. That's just my observation, it may be different where others play.

What's the rule of thumb for TURBO MTT's with 180+ players ... is 40 buyins sufficient ?

So would you need an even higher bankroll since there may be more variance due to people stacking off more frequently?

no, you need somewhere around 300bi

180 mans reg speeds is about 200bi recommended usually

turbo has more variance so you need more bi

so 40 bi is not going to be sufficient unless you know you're really good at mtts

I don't want to be an idiot and loose it all.

what are some good links for me as in bankroll management etc.?

I am thinking of just doing freerolls I found out today that you don't need to deposit money into ftp to do freerolls stupid me.

any help would be much appreciated.