August Beginner's Bankroll Thread - Page 6 - Beginning Poker Questions

Post (or send to me) the next 10 or 11 spots where you either did or might've been able to value bet the river, and we can discuss whether there could've been a value bet and what the best sizing is.

OK, will do, thanks.

As for your hands:
1. Why 3b pre when you are IP and it's an UTG raise?
2. Seems fine, nicely done.
3. Meh.
4. QQ+/AKs but I wouldn't jam I'd 4bet $7 or something.
5. Probably not with his stats.
6. I see plenty of flop raises like this. I guess they want you to fold then give up.
7. Seems standard with AK

8. I'd probably bet turn but as played check behind river.
9. Looks familiar - they can't have it every time! - no, just when you decide to call them down.
10. Unlucky.
11. I'd be wary against doing it with BB still in the pot who looks like a calling station, but even they can be scared of flushes.
12. I just wonder whether it's even worth calling flop raises

13. Villain looks weak tight so okay I guess.
14. Not sure why you are calling pre tbh.

Anyway, had a rough session yesterday.
Lots of aggro fish, and as we know aggro players are more difficult to play against.

1. This fish had raised almost every flop bet so I didn't believe it of course and I'd seen him showdown some audacious and frankly stupid bluffs (only 8 hands but he'd done it pretty much every hand so far).
Second pair might seem marginal stack off hand, but when you see the spoiler you'll see what kind of villain we're dealing with.

iPoker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $29.05 (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BTN: $23.97 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (SB): $10.26
BB: $5.23 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: $14.12 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J

fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.90, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $0.63, CO raises to $2.79, Hero calls $2.16

Turn: ($6.48, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, CO bets $4.53, Hero calls $4.53

River: ($15.54, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero calls $2.54

Spoiler:

2. Fortunately, the very next hand. I hoped he'd think I was tilting but he would play it this way anyway because I saw him do it time and time again.

iPoker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $38.04 (VPIP: 87.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: $23.97 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $5.13 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 5

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90, 3 players) Q

SB checks, BB bets $0.63, Hero raises to $2.40, fold, BB calls $1.77

Turn: ($5.70, 2 players) Q

BB checks, Hero bets $2.85, BB calls $2.85

River: ($11.40, 2 players) 9

BB bets $5.10, Hero calls $4.45

Spoiler:

3. Don't know wtf I was doing shoving here, it seemed better than folding, but his flop action didn't make any sense at the time.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $1.31 (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 31.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
UTG: $4.37 (VPIP: 36.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 52)
Hero (CO): $4.10
BTN: $5.15 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: $13.80 (VPIP: 24.47, PFR: 18.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 100)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38, 3 players) J

BB bets $0.26, Hero calls $0.26, BTN raises to $3.52, fold, Hero raises to $3.98, BTN calls $0.46

Turn: ($8.60, 2 players) 6

River: ($8.60, 2 players) 7

Spoiler:

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08-07-2013 , 04:27 AM

#127

Studebaker Hawk

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,783

Also seemed to face a lot of stuff like this last night.
I suppose generally we fold and wait for fatter value?
Feels good when your reads are right though.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $1.66 (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 38)
MP: $4.27 (VPIP: 26.56, PFR: 4.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 65)
CO: $8.46 (VPIP: 32.81, PFR: 20.31, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
Hero (BTN): $4.00
SB: $5.45 (VPIP: 26.76, PFR: 19.72, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 74)
BB: $4.17 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 5.95, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 85)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has J

fold, MP raises to $0.12, fold, Hero calls $0.12, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) 3

MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.30, 2 players) 6

MP bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

River: ($0.46, 2 players) T

MP bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

Spoiler:

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $3.50 (VPIP: 19.57, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
UTG: $2.08 (VPIP: 32.81, PFR: 8.59, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 132)
MP: $6.06 (VPIP: 24.22, PFR: 17.97, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 133)
Hero (CO): $5.87
BTN: $4.23 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
SB: $9.28 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 21.57, 3Bet Preflop: 17.50, Hands: 104)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has J

UTG calls $0.04, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) T

UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.30, 2 players) Q

UTG bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

River: ($0.46, 2 players) 6

UTG bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

Spoiler:

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08-07-2013 , 06:54 AM

#128

birdayy

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,371

Uber standard post flop?

We have some history and villain opens pretty wide from EPs and has a high f3b% if you are wondering. Plus J8s isn't the worst hand to play in a 3b pot.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $10.00
SB: $9.24
BB: $11.64
UTG: $13.67
MP: $11.01
Hero (CO): $30.43

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with J

1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, 3 folds, MP calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 5

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.26, MP raises to $3, Hero raises to $29.53 all in, MP calls $7.11 all in

Turn: ($22.17) 8

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($22.17) 3

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $22.17
MP shows Q

(a pair of Queens)
Hero shows J

(a pair of Eights)
MP wins $21.17
(Rake: $1.00)

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08-07-2013 , 07:13 AM

#129

TDA2

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,067

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunna100

TDA, I don't think your head is in a good place if you need to post this many hands

3k hand session mate, I think it's good to post some spots that I think are fairly standard in case they're not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roszzz

Thanks gamma for the post! Need to re-read it a few times

@TDA I knew it was you scrolling all the way up through the hands

H2 Think I wouldn't dare to bet on that flop in a 3way flop

Eh, it's borderline, and I considered checking, but in the end I have 2PTK + BDNFD on a draw heavy board and can probably get called by plenty of draws, though not many worse made hands.

H8 What are your thoughts on betting OTT ?

Again, borderline, but it seemed a little thin to me when both villains could well have sets or 99-JJ, and I struggle to see what worse they could be calling with.

H10 Think folding is the best decision, with what worse hands could he be raising? Looks really strong to me
EDIT: Didn't saw the flush draw he can have, I'm not really sure now

He's a fish too, and not that passive, so I'm still pretty convinced we can't fold.

H12 Why call flop raise?

Fish who might be raising top pair, it's really tough for him to have a set and there are draws, plus there's only a couple of TP combos. I was folding the turn.

H14 Why call pre?

I have position and I'm getting like 8000-1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by asriva

H1 - You have 5 hands on UTG, how do you know if he's not good enough ?

Because he's playing 100/80 over those 5 hands, there's a very strong chance he's terrible (though I guess that increases the chance of him betting a 9, it also increases the chance of him betting random ****e).

H2 - Seems like a calling station, he'd stay married to Qx etc, bet bigger otr.

H5 - Really ****ty board even considering villain's stats, Folding>3bet>calling here imo

Don't want to 3bet as he's probably going to shove draws. I guess our cbetting range is strong here so there are better hands to defend though.

H6 - Smallish bet to induce bluff ?

I think this villain knows I'm capable of hand reading and so he wouldn't bluff vs what looks like Kx.

H8 - Why do we bet river here ?

I explain this with the hand - 'I think turning my hand into a bluff on the river is best because they should fold their entire ranges' - they should never have Ax here.

H10 - A minreraise otf always makes me sick in 3b pots. Calling >Raising is the better option like you said.

H14 - Dont like opening, really dont like calling the 3bet even more as villain has half stack limiting our options.

Quote:

Originally Posted by outatime

TDA, my thoughts on some of these hands, for whatever it is worth:

In H1, I'm not sure that 4-5 hands in is enough to know without doubt that your opponent doesn't have 9x.

In H2, I'd be tempted to bet more along the lines of 2/3 of pot or 3/4 pot as (at least this hand) the villain has shown themselves to be a calling station so I'd move bigger. I recall you saying in a previous thread to bet 90% of the pot on the river if there is an ace and you have a pair of aces beat.

It's very slightly different when the A came on the turn or river so it's more likely they have 2P if they have Ax. Of course, if you have 2P beat that's a strong argument for an overbet I guess.

H5, I don't know if I'm super-qualified to speak this about but calling a raise like that seems really thin, at best, given the structure of the board. I'm kind of confused with your play in this hand but I aim to play a very ABC type of style so please keep that in mind. Did the all-in bet on the river interfere with plans you had to raise a moderately-sized river bet?

I was never going to raise, I was playing my hand for what it was, a bluff catcher. I had notes that he'd defended SCs and small Axs from the blinds which helped my decision.

H10, I think is just a bad luck spot. I think regardless of the line you take all of the villain's money is going in either on the turn or by calling your re-raise. Can't see a fold on your part happening here if you went with a call instead of a raise.

By calling we allow him to bluff more, I'm not considering folding lol

H14, I just don't think you're getting the implied odds to make this play profitable even without the 3bet, and I think it's less so with the 3bet call. Again, please keep in mind I do try to play a very ABC style of game and know that my winrate could be higher if I played more spots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk

OK, will do, thanks.

As for your hands:
1. Why 3b pre when you are IP and it's an UTG raise?
To iso a weak player with position.
2. Seems fine, nicely done.
3. Meh.
4. QQ+/AKs but I wouldn't jam I'd 4bet $7 or something.
Commitment thresholds. When we 4bet to $7 we can't fold any of our range to a shove because of his short stack. I'm surprised at that range and think it's likely suboptimal. I tank-folded 88 in this hand, and would definitely be shoving TT+, AQ+.
5. Probably not with his stats.
6. I see plenty of flop raises like this. I guess they want you to fold then give up.
Never folding any value hand vs a flop raise on a paired board and often floating 100% of my range IP vs bad regs.
7. Seems standard with AK

8. I'd probably bet turn but as played check behind river.
9. Looks familiar - they can't have it every time! - no, just when you decide to call them down.
10. Unlucky.
11. I'd be wary against doing it with BB still in the pot who looks like a calling station, but even they can be scared of flushes.
And even they find it tough to call with whatever third-pair-type-crap they have when an A turns.
12. I just wonder whether it's even worth calling flop raises

fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.90, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $0.63, CO raises to $2.79, Hero calls $2.16

Turn: ($6.48, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, CO bets $4.53, Hero calls $4.53

River: ($15.54, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero calls $2.54

Spoiler:

Seems fine with your reads.

2. Fortunately, the very next hand. I hoped he'd think I was tilting but he would play it this way anyway because I saw him do it time and time again.

iPoker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $38.04 (VPIP: 87.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: $23.97 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $5.13 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 5

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90, 3 players) Q

SB checks, BB bets $0.63, Hero raises to $2.40, fold, BB calls $1.77

Turn: ($5.70, 2 players) Q

BB checks, Hero bets $2.85, BB calls $2.85

River: ($11.40, 2 players) 9

BB bets $5.10, Hero calls $4.45

Spoiler:

nh;wp

3. Don't know wtf I was doing shoving here, it seemed better than folding, but his flop action didn't make any sense at the time.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $1.31 (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 31.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
UTG: $4.37 (VPIP: 36.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 52)
Hero (CO): $4.10
BTN: $5.15 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: $13.80 (VPIP: 24.47, PFR: 18.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 100)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38, 3 players) J

BB bets $0.26, Hero calls $0.26, BTN raises to $3.52, fold, Hero raises to $3.98, BTN calls $0.46

Turn: ($8.60, 2 players) 6

River: ($8.60, 2 players) 7

Spoiler:

I'd raise the flop donk but fold to the cold 2bet.

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08-07-2013 , 07:38 AM

#130

gamma001

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,144

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadas

I'm a bit confused by this river bet. Unless you expect him to call with middle pocket pairs, there should to be more Ax than Qx in his range here (I've seen a lot of players with similar stats play weak aces like this), which makes valuebetting non-profitable. And there is no way we can get him off a better hand, which makes bluffing non-profitable. So what is that bet? Would you expect him to show up with 88-JJ here?

yeah like was said by the lads, I wouldn't expect there to be many Ax in his range and the fact that the river was an underbet makes it much easier for him to call with worse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dillchips

Btw, solid post by Gamma as always.

cheers

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08-07-2013 , 07:39 AM

#131

gamma001

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,144

@stude

H1: is wp and ul.
H2: wp (like the betsizin OTT).
H3: Id find it hard to get away from this too. Lots of draws out there. Undecided.
H4: standard wp.
H5: depends on vils aggression but might bet flop when checked to.

@ birday
yep never folding.

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08-07-2013 , 07:39 AM

#132

asriva

adept

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 982

Quote:

Lots of aggro fish, and as we know aggro players are more difficult to play against.

I love aggro fish! Takes much more time to empty a passive fish's balance. True that we have to make more marginal decisions against an aggro player but that also makes it much more fun.

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08-07-2013 , 08:58 AM

#133

Studebaker Hawk

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,783

Quote:

Originally Posted by asriva

I love aggro fish! Takes much more time to empty a passive fish's balance. True that we have to make more marginal decisions against an aggro player but that also makes it much more fun.

It's easier to stack them but easier to get stacked by them.
Aggression is more difficult to play against because it makes us make more difficult decisions for more money.
Good aggressive > Bad aggressive >>> Bad passive

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08-07-2013 , 09:12 AM

#134

TDA2

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,067

Check out these videos if you're at all interested in MTT play or live play. They're by Galen Hall, a live MTT beast:

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08-07-2013 , 11:16 AM

#135

birdayy

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,371

Feedback please

H1: OB ok here vs his range or am I being results orientated?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $14.45
SB: $19.53
BB: $36.70
UTG: $8.99
MP: $5.84
Hero (CO): $35.04

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.42, BB calls $0.42

Turn: ($1.49) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.96, BB calls $0.96

River: ($3.41) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.98, BB calls $4.98

Spoiler:

H2: Again, sizing? River is a pretty standard b/f?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $22.68
Hero (SB): $40.80
BB: $10.05
UTG: $23.75
MP: $11.73
CO: $10.70

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 5

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.16, BTN calls $1.16

Turn: ($4.12) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.67, BTN calls $2.67

River: ($9.46) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.98, BTN calls $5.98

Spoiler:

H3: Got kinda tricky and went for the check OTF to rep AK or something

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $4.95
Hero (SB): $23.17
BB: $14.48
UTG: $6.85
MP: $4.33
CO: $12.90

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q

UTG raises to $0.35, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.15, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.40) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.70, Hero raises to $22.02 all in, UTG calls $4 all in

Turn: ($13.80) K

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($13.80) J

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:

H4: semi spew in 4b pot

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $13.40
Hero (SB): $31.79
BB: $11.05
UTG: $4.47
MP: $4.85
CO: $10.44

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.10

Flop: ($4.00) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.68, BB calls $1.68

Turn: ($7.36) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $28.11 all in, BB folds

Spoiler:

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08-07-2013 , 12:23 PM

#136

TDA2

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H1: I'd want to know I was against a bad player to OB there. He shouldn't have many flushes, sets or straights so I'd need him to be calling 2P often.

H2: Not a good hand to resteal with. I'd either flat or fold. Postflop is good.

H3: I like a cbet here most of the time, but c/r is fine if you know he's going to bluff often when you check.

H4: I see no spew, hand is WP. He'd have to be floating AK, AQ basically 100% for this to be -EV because he can't call with JJ here.

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08-07-2013 , 12:55 PM

#137

Fishtankz

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,410

Some hands from me too. First hands from this month, reducing volume a little bit.

h1: Don't need a crystal ball to figure out what he had. Just wondering what is my plan on Q or K-high flops. Some people may be nitty enough to not even 4b QQ, since it's iPoker.
iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $4.24 (VPIP: 17.58, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 5.75, Hands: 272)
BTN: $3.92 (VPIP: 18.79, PFR: 12.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 307)
Hero (SB): $12.08
BB: $1.46 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
UTG: $4.41 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 11)
MP: $5.99 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 28.21, 3Bet Preflop: 27.27, Hands: 41)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, BTN raises to $1.28, Hero calls $0.88

Flop: ($2.60, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, BTN bets $2.64, Hero calls $2.64

h2: snap call given the stack sizes?

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $4.44
BB: $3.74 (VPIP: 29.50, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 212)
UTG: $0.89 (VPIP: 50.54, PFR: 26.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 94)
CO: $4.74 (VPIP: 18.54, PFR: 12.46, 3Bet Preflop: 4.31, Hands: 339)
BTN: $2.41 (VPIP: 18.59, PFR: 14.10, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 161)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has Q

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.36, fold, BTN calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.76, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $2.05 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.45

h3: No stats here, fine? Villain turned out to be a loose regular. If i knew that i might have considered a fold here, since he shouldn't iso 5x with a light range.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $5.27 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 30.17, PFR: 23.28, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 119)
SB: $2.06 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 17)
BB: $5.96 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 22)
UTG: $4.41 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
Hero (MP): $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A

UTG calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.20, CO raises to $1.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $4.00 and is all-in, CO calls $3.00

h4: wasn't sure about raising this river but what can he have?

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $4.00
SB: $3.11 (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 13.46, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 57)
BB: $4.00 (VPIP: 11.38, PFR: 10.18, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 180)
CO: $8.97 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has T

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.10, fold

Flop: ($0.28, 2 players) 2

SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.68, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero bets $0.48, SB calls $0.48

River: ($1.64, 2 players) 9

SB bets $1.14, Hero raises to $2.80, SB calls $1.17

h5: and a quick reminder why i don't bluff at the micros like this. accidentally checked so i thought c/r would be fine. but wth is he doing on the turn?
Also bluffed in another bad spot and got called. Started to steam a little bit but was able to overcome it. Proves that spewy bluffs -EV!

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.28 (VPIP: 15.09, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
Hero (SB): $5.23
BB: $5.64 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A

BTN calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.16, fold

Flop: ($0.44, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.04, 2 players) 4

Hero bets $1.44, BB raises to $4.64 and is all-in, fold

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08-07-2013 , 01:52 PM

#138

TDA2

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,067

@tankz:

H1 is fine, just make sure you 5b AA next time vs this guy.
H2 looks good.
H3 is fine and I wouldn't do anything else against most regs.
H4 I'd probably flat the river, it's tough for him to call with anything worse.
H5 c/c flop is decent, and arguably better than cbetting. You actually have a decent value hand.

I've had a super-swingy day, but ended up +5BI so I'm not going to complain! This hand was fun:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $101.79
SB: $26.40 (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 77)
BB: $60.55 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)
UTG: $64.93 (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 23.68, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 38)
MP: $13.98 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: $15.83 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.62, fold, BB raises to $0.99, Hero calls $0.37

Flop: ($2.08, 2 players) Q

BB bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($3.58, 2 players) 4

BB bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

River: ($5.08, 2 players) K

BB bets $3.00, Hero raises to $99.30 and is all-in, BB calls $55.06 and is all-in

Spoiler:

This one wasn't. I'm not sure I like my call but I'm not sure I have enough Kx in my range to make it a fold, plus his line looks very FoS, especially given he snap-check-tank-jammed the river.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $36.21 (VPIP: 31.34, PFR: 26.87, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 70)
SB: $150.21 (VPIP: 21.12, PFR: 17.30, 3Bet Preflop: 6.55, Hands: 458)
BB: $11.57 (VPIP: 23.56, PFR: 21.84, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 177)
UTG: $72.12 (VPIP: 29.73, PFR: 21.62, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 37)
MP: $25.15 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 13)
Hero (CO): $38.57

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, SB raises to $2.40, fold, Hero calls $1.65

Flop: ($5.05, 2 players) 9

SB bets $3.20, Hero calls $3.20

Turn: ($11.45, 2 players) T

SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.45, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero bets $8.75, SB raises to $41.50, Hero calls $24.22 and is all-in

Spoiler:

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08-07-2013 , 02:52 PM

#139

quadas

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TDA, do you often see bluff raising at the river? At nitty 25nl FR zoom I would say hand 2 is pure spew, don't know about 6max though.

Then some hands:

1) His turn reraise really sucks. I don't think a flush would ever 3bet that turn and the only value hand of his that I can beat is 1 combo of TT and his stats suggest he is not bluffing. But there's this saying that people never fold a FH, right?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $0.58 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: $4.49 (VPIP: 5.41, PFR: 5.41, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 37)
Hero (BB): $2.00
UTG: $2.74 (VPIP: -, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: $2.06 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 16)
CO: $1.28

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.05, Hero calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.10, 2 players) J

SB checks, Hero bets $0.06, SB calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.22, 2 players) T

SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $0.88, Hero ??

2) Hate these min-donk betters. They are all over the place. Most of the time you raise and they fold. Sometimes not, which means that they usually have a hand. Or not.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $1.03 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 35)
BB: $2.00
UTG: $3.99 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)
MP: $2.00 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 11.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 114)
CO: $2.71 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 3

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13, 2 players) A

BB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.37, 2 players) K

BB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.27, BB raises to $0.52, Hero calls $0.25

River: ($1.41, 2 players) 7

BB bets $1.30 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.30 and is all-in

Spoiler:

3) I put him on AK.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.12 (VPIP: 9.18, PFR: 3.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 103)
SB: $1.08 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: $1.84 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: $3.51 (VPIP: 27.08, PFR: 22.92, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 49)
MP: $3.68 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (CO): $4.10

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J

fold, MP raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) J

MP bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.27, 2 players) 7

MP bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

River: ($0.43, 2 players) 6

MP bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

Spoiler:

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08-07-2013 , 04:50 PM

#140

TDA2

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,067

My line looks weak, his range ought to be capped and my bet size is designed to rep air.

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08-07-2013 , 06:30 PM

#141

Fishtankz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,410

@quadas
h1: it's BvB i think we have to ship it. Just because someone is tight doesn't mean he isn't capable of making mistakes.
h2: get max value from these "droolers". big big big
h3: kinda weak line, but nice read :P
Just played my first full session in 10nl. Felt like i needed some challenge and wasn't in mood to grind 4nl. Even managed to play solid stats, the 15/12 is history

Got lucky in certain spots and i think i need to cut the tables a little bit to keep full focus. But need to multitable at start to get hands on the players.

Some hands to review. Starting with some floating spots.

h1: is this spot worth it? stacked him off like a fish anyways
iPoker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $12.02 (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 246)
UTG: $10.00 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 12)
MP: $8.59 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: $9.41 (VPIP: 16.74, PFR: 12.97, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 245)
Hero (BTN): $12.14
SB: $5.41 (VPIP: 53.13, PFR: 40.63, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 35)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9

UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.05, 3 players) T

UTG bets $0.73, fold, Hero calls $0.73

Turn: ($2.51, 2 players) 9

UTG bets $2.00, Hero raises to $5.00, UTG raises to $8.97 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.97

h2: Standard floating spot? Also some nice fat value from reg making a mistake. 5 or 9 makes a straight so i think his call was bad.

iPoker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): $11.02
BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
SB: $9.08 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: $11.98 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 76)
UTG: $14.54 (VPIP: 20.12, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 169)
MP: $8.80 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 43)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) T

UTG bets $0.52, Hero calls $0.52

Turn: ($1.79, 2 players) 7

UTG bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.00, UTG calls $1.75

River: ($7.79, 2 players) 4

UTG checks, Hero bets $4.50, UTG calls $4.50

Spoiler:

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08-07-2013 , 07:07 PM

#142

gamma001

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,144

Both spots are standard. if your often folding 2nd pair to a cbet god help your red line

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08-07-2013 , 07:13 PM

#143

Fishtankz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,410

Ok how about this one? Once again an UTG raise.

iPoker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $9.85 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: $3.06 (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 15.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.58, Hands: 195)
Hero (SB): $10.92
BB: $10.25 (VPIP: 17.12, PFR: 13.01, 3Bet Preflop: 5.08, Hands: 149)
UTG: $10.31 (VPIP: 22.56, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 201)
MP: $6.37 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 29)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.50, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($1.50, 2 players) 7

Hero bets $0.90, UTG raises to $4.20, fold

UTG wins $3.08

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08-07-2013 , 07:34 PM

#144

TDA2

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He reps 6 combos (QQ, 77) but he has it too often for it to be a call IMO.

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08-07-2013 , 10:07 PM

#145

Fishtankz

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,410

Should never play when tilted.
Not folding when you're beat and bluffing too much, pretty much summarizes it up. 6½ BI hole (-5BI EV). Gonna take a while to get back from this

But that's why big rolls are good.

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08-07-2013 , 10:38 PM

#146

outatime

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Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 202

Hey everyone, I have some hands that I tagged for review.

First one is more of a general spot than anything specific to this hand. I lose a fair bit of money on QQ hands, and really need to get better with them.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: $17.52 (VPIP: 16.26, PFR: 11.21, 3Bet Preflop: 8.24, Hands: 464)
CO: $7.83 (VPIP: 6.45, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 31)
BTN: $11.32 (VPIP: 26.42, PFR: 20.75, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 54)
Hero (SB): $19.42
BB: $12.15 (VPIP: 14.95, PFR: 10.75, 3Bet Preflop: 5.68, Hands: 215)
UTG: $4.00 (VPIP: 7.96, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 3.47, Hands: 386)
UTG+1: $15.31 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 48)
UTG+2: $3.70 (VPIP: 35.11, PFR: 23.66, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 136)
MP: $10.00 (VPIP: 15.70, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 10.14, Hands: 174)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q

fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $0.30, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, MP raises to $3.00, fold, fold

Spoiler:

In this situation, I don't have any notes on this villain that would lead me to think that their 4bet has me at anything better than a coin flip. What is the best way to play this hand?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: $7.70 (VPIP: 93.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
UTG+2: $10.51 (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 11.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
MP: $10.78 (VPIP: 14.06, PFR: 12.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.12, Hands: 263)
Hero (MP+1): $12.21
CO: $9.67 (VPIP: 8.76, PFR: 5.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 138)
BTN: $6.54 (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
SB: $3.55 (VPIP: 13.60, PFR: 11.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.09, Hands: 1,502)
BB: $10.28 (VPIP: 19.24, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.91, Hands: 320)
UTG: $8.31 (VPIP: 32.97, PFR: 21.98, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 92)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q

UTG raises to $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, fold, MP calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Spoiler:

I'd like any discussion on this hand. I've been working on my 3betting range (and trying to work some squeezing in to my game). I feel like this was a great spot to give this a try given the min-raise, two callers, and a hand with some equity that is easily folded to a 4bet. Am I right in my thinking here?

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08-08-2013 , 03:00 AM

#147

quadas

adept

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outatime, hand 1 he has quite high 3bet% and your 3bet is a squeeze from the blinds which he may perceive as weak. I'd probably get it in, knowing that I will run into a fair amount of KK+, but would also expect to be ahead enough times to make it worth it. Do you have NoteTracker set up to record hands they 4bet pre?

Hand 2, you are right that all those factors favor a squeeze. Only thing that still could make it better was if you were at the btn with fewer people left behind to act.

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08-08-2013 , 03:07 AM

#148

asriva

adept

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 982

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadas

fold, MP raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) J

MP bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.27, 2 players) 7

MP bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

River: ($0.43, 2 players) 6

MP bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

Spoiler:

Is it standard play to flat JJ pre here or I'm the only one who is 3betting here ?That is a super wet flop, reraise here ?

Also I might have some notes on you Quadas, pm me your sn if you want.

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08-08-2013 , 03:17 AM

#149

quadas

adept

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 973

Quote:

Originally Posted by asriva

Is it standard play to flat JJ pre here or I'm the only one who is 3betting here ?That is a super wet flop, reraise here ?

Also I might have some notes on you Quadas, pm me your sn if you want.

For me 3betting JJ depends on positions and stats. MP vs UTG I hardly ever 3bet it against unknown, CO vs MP a bit more often, but not always.

Postflop is just weird, I know. Never played a hand like that before, but there was something about his timing and sizing that made me feel very strongly that he has it.

I'll pm you mine if you pm me yours.

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08-08-2013 , 11:30 AM

#150

Fishtankz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,410

@outatime
h1: i 3b a bit more after raise and a call. The villain isn't a big nit with 10% 3b. Check his 4b stat and notes. But i think 3b/f QQ without reads can be fine. If we 4b then gii 100bb deep.
h2: i would wait for a better hand here. but it was a nice read and the guy is loose, so his UTG range is not just going to be nuts. Although it is likely to be hands he is calling the sqz with.
@asriva
you can flat JJ vs unknown, also if you have fish to act after you. but nitty table 3-betting pretty much always.

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