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04-07-2015 , 01:11 PM
Zoom is just no fun at all. Lost 11 buyins in 2 days!
04-07-2015 , 03:52 PM
@Fishtankz, I'm always about breakeven with 22-55 from UTG up to 25nl. At the stakes you're playing I think ur sample is too small. You're only a couple of BIs away from not even asking this question
04-07-2015 , 11:08 PM
Oh well. BR dropped from $41 to $26 after tilt. classic LOL played up while on tilt. Let's see how I am gonna climb back and out.
04-08-2015 , 12:22 AM
4/7: BR=$16
04-08-2015 , 12:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
@Fishtankz, I'm always about breakeven with 22-55 from UTG up to 25nl. At the stakes you're playing I think ur sample is too small. You're only a couple of BIs away from not even asking this question
Well the sample is from +200k hands.
I'm gonna play it safe and not open these hands by default, until I have worked on my OOP game. On nitty tables I think I can open these, since nits also fold a lot to cbets.
I will open hands like 78s instead, they have more barrelling opportunities than 22-55, which are just bluffing hands post-flop.
Btw those BI's would typically come from a fish, while I would still be losing vs regs. So maybe if there is fish in the blinds I can open.
04-08-2015 , 06:32 PM
Is there at stat in pt4 for for vs btn 3bet from the CO?
04-08-2015 , 06:58 PM
How can the CO 3b the BTN? If you mean the other way around you need to make custom stats I think.

Last edited by TheDefiniteArticle; 04-08-2015 at 06:58 PM. Reason: You should learn how to make custom stats anyway, very useful
04-08-2015 , 07:08 PM
Yeah, i seem to have written gibberish. What i wanted was a stat for 4bet from the CO when facing a btn 3bet. I found it on the pt4 download page, so it's all good.

The thought of having to make my own stats gives me a headache.
04-09-2015 , 10:42 PM
Can someone tell me:

1) Optimal 3bet in the SB against a CO opener. I've gone with 17% against BTN openers. Assume we use a no-flat strategy.

2) When UTG opens, and you're in MP, what's your flatting range? We need to be able to call squeezes a lot (and UTG 4bets after squeezes at least sometimes). I'm currently calling all pocket pairs but thinking about dropping 22-66 from the range. Problem is I've then got no board coverage on low flops (i.e. on something like 923r, it's very difficult for me to have decent holdings the vast majority of the time).
04-10-2015 , 12:00 AM
So today I today I hit a $200 bankroll from grinding 2nl and 4nl. I started playing 10nl with a 160 bankroll the other day to get to $200. Things have been going smooth, I've been playing a mix of PLO and NLHE. However today I lost 9 BI between PLO and NLHE. Ran KK into AA, TPTK got rivered by a flush, TPTK ran into overpair, TPTK rivered by a set, Straight rivered by a house...essentially I got sucked out a lot so I think I'm hitting a bad run of cards.

Should I just got back to 2nl and 4nl to grind up some more buy ins before playing 10nl again? The players are not any better at 10nl but it seems like variance is getting the best of me. Is it normal to have a big losing session like this?
04-10-2015 , 12:42 AM
ah can you repost that in clearer, I really don't understand what happened

what is your BR right now atm
04-10-2015 , 01:08 AM
I hit a bad run of cards today playing 10nl NLHE and PLO with a $200 BR. I lost enough buy ins set me back to $110 - my current BR at the moment. I think it was a result of variance as opposed to bad play because I was getting my money in ahead and losing on the river every time due to suck outs. I think I lost about 3 PLO buy ins and 6 NLHE buy ins, there was nothing I could really do.

So even though I think I have an edge in 10nl, should I just step back down to 2nl and 4nl until I grind my roll back up so variance doesn't kill me? I didn't think the swing would be so much bigger at 10nl, but I've grinded up $150 playing 1c/2c. Now I'm hitting my first swing at 5c/10c and I'm losing close to $100 which seems crazy to me because I'm so used to little downswings at 2nl. But these swings should seem normal, right?

Also, when you have 20x the BI for a limit, how many losses do you take before moving down a level?

Last edited by Dexterr; 04-10-2015 at 01:36 AM.
04-10-2015 , 01:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishtankz
How are you guys doing with opening 22-55 UTG or MP?
My graph looks similar for both positions. I'm gonna remove these hands from my UTG range, but unsure about MP.
My OOP skills would need some work, but that's a concept I would like to get a coach for. I fold to 3-bets 75% of the time with these hands. Check/folding 96% of the time. Cbetting 35.8%. Folding to turn or river probe bets 85%. Doesn't seem very profitable
Here's mine:

04-10-2015 , 01:35 AM
Ok thanks.
Is that mostly zoom or normal games?
04-10-2015 , 02:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishtankz
Ok thanks.
Is that mostly zoom or normal games?
All zoom. Here's with 100 reg added;

04-10-2015 , 03:03 AM
Ok. I'll have to start working on my OOP game then.
04-10-2015 , 06:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dexterr
I hit a bad run of cards today playing 10nl NLHE and PLO with a $200 BR. I lost enough buy ins set me back to $110 - my current BR at the moment. I think it was a result of variance as opposed to bad play because I was getting my money in ahead and losing on the river every time due to suck outs. I think I lost about 3 PLO buy ins and 6 NLHE buy ins, there was nothing I could really do.

So even though I think I have an edge in 10nl, should I just step back down to 2nl and 4nl until I grind my roll back up so variance doesn't kill me? I didn't think the swing would be so much bigger at 10nl, but I've grinded up $150 playing 1c/2c. Now I'm hitting my first swing at 5c/10c and I'm losing close to $100 which seems crazy to me because I'm so used to little downswings at 2nl. But these swings should seem normal, right?

Also, when you have 20x the BI for a limit, how many losses do you take before moving down a level?
3 bi shot. I would grind up to 230, take a 3bi shot, rinse and repeat. Assuming you play more than 1 table, taking a shot just means adding an additional table at your higher stake, so say 3 tables 4nl 1 table 10 nl, eventually all becoming 10nl.
04-10-2015 , 08:16 AM
Typical spot where I struggle with 22. Cbet or not?
Let's make it non-villain specific, however villain in this hand is a loose passive fit & fold fish.
I would cbet AK here, because we can improve to a best hand, or pick up a gut-shot. I would also cbet 89 because I can barrel. With 22 it would be a total bluff. Not really any card improves us, except A, 5 or 6 in this case. I think I'm giving my opponent too much credit. It's a dry board, very few hands have hit apart from pocket pairs.
So I think it's more of a mindset problem, I have a pair but that pair is not good enough to see a showdown typically.
So I think we just have to bluff cbet.

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 129.8 BB (VPIP: 27.08, PFR: 2.08, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 49)
Hero (UTG): 131 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.07, PFR: 17.19, 3Bet Preflop: 4.14, Hands: 1,005)
CO: 118.9 BB (VPIP: 54.92, PFR: 16.71, 3Bet Preflop: 2.30, Hands: 380)
BTN: 166.8 BB (VPIP: 17.46, PFR: 15.87, 3Bet Preflop: 9.68, Hands: 64)
SB: 142.7 BB (VPIP: 23.48, PFR: 16.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 118)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 2

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 3 T 4
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 6
BB bets 3 BB, fold

Spoiler:
BB wins 9.18 BB
04-10-2015 , 08:25 AM
Yeah thats the sort of spot I would cb and follow through on that turn + most rivers
04-10-2015 , 08:36 AM
We could also play our perceived range here and barrel Q/J/K/A, to get opponent to fold something like 88-77
That would be against SB/BB, vs MP/CO/BTN caller it's different.
These spots really aren't my specialty. That's also why I don't barrel here a lot. I want a clear line between spewing and betting for fold equity.
04-10-2015 , 08:54 AM
Am I taking a pair too far here if I want to bet river? Villain is unknown, I would assume he got here with TP or a busted draw. I'm not expecting him to have QQ because I think most players would 3bet that hand. Should I check this river and fold to a bet?

    Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $11.49 (114.9 bb)
    BB: $6.66 (66.6 bb)
    MP: $11.21 (112.1 bb)
    Hero (CO): $68.05 (680.5 bb)
    BTN: $10 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
    MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

    Flop: ($1.20) Q 7 4 (4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.90, BTN calls $0.90, SB calls $0.90, BB folds

    Turn: ($3.90) T (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $2.92, BTN calls $2.92, SB folds

    River: ($9.74) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $7.30, BTN calls $5.88 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $21.50 pot ($1.19 rake)
    Final Board: Q 7 4 T K
    Hero showed A A and lost (-$10 net)
    BTN showed T T and won $20.31 ($10.31 net)
    04-10-2015 , 09:16 AM
    Do some range work. Put opponent on range on every street starting from flop
    With AA you block AQ.
    I think xc or xf would be the best, mainly because we block AQ. K is bad card since KQ gets there
    04-10-2015 , 09:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by birdayy
    All zoom. Here's with 100 reg added;

    Can you tell me your stdevbb/100 on that line? I'm not sure to what extent variance will apply to individual holdings.
    04-10-2015 , 02:14 PM
    Probably it's a leak to call 3bet OOP at these limits? 4bet/fold? As played good to stab ott? No info on villain just 11/11 over 13hands

      IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $5.23 (104.6 bb)
      BB: $5.42 (108.4 bb)
      UTG: $5 (100 bb)
      Hero (MP): $6.74 (134.8 bb)
      CO: $5.82 (116.4 bb)
      BTN: $5.10 (102 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A K
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.45, CO folds

      Flop: ($1.42) 7 T 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($1.42) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.99, BTN folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $1.42 pot ($0.09 rake)
      Final Board: 7 T 8 3
      Hero mucked A K and won $1.33 ($0.73 net)
      BTN mucked and lost (-$0.60 net)
      04-10-2015 , 02:43 PM
      You can stab smaller, slightly over ½ pot.

      Why would you 4-bet/fold? Create an example scenario where you 4-bet and then face a shove. Put villain on a range and see if you can call it off.
      I would only flat OOP if there was a big fish in the pot.

            
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