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Should i be Value betting this on the river. It was in zoom so was effectively readless.
I thought there is worth i can be called with and i go on the assumption anyone not with a full stack is a fish until proven otherwise.

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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16822741

BTN: $27.56 (110.2 bb)
SB: $15.78 (63.1 bb)
BB: $10.16 (40.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): $28.24 (113 bb)
MP: $69.02 (276.1 bb)
CO: $24.65 (98.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4

Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) 8

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.75, BTN folds, BB calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.85) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

River: ($11.85) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.75, BB calls $4.66 and is all-in

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Thanks. Also would you perhaps lean towards folding 44 pre in UTG?

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04-03-2013 , 04:21 PM

#177

Tarkyo

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Thanks people!

I will probably 4bet if I am really deep because if not I will be going all in on the turn or river or maybe flop.

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04-03-2013 , 04:25 PM

#178

Fishtankz

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Thoughts? Felt like it was time to take fish to the value town. Dont have the math for call/folding flop if missed. Getting best equity when shoved pre probably.
UTG 68/42 after 20 hands. MP 70/5 over 20 hands

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BB: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $3.74 (187 bb)
MP: $2.95 (147.5 bb)
SB: $0.43 (21.5 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

CO posts BB OOP, UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, CO checks, Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, UTG raises to $0.42, MP calls $0.40, CO folds, Hero raises to $2 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.58, MP raises to $2.95, UTG calls $0.95

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04-03-2013 , 04:25 PM

#179

raikkonen3

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that's such an easy vb.

i'd prob fold 44 in utg, depends a lot on the table though.

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04-03-2013 , 05:38 PM

#180

Roszzz

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Don't really like going all in with AK (with some type of players as exception).

Even vs shortstack I need to be more carefull, if I can dodge these bullets it will definitely pay out

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BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $11.26 (225.2 bb)
Hero (MP): $12.29 (245.8 bb)
CO: $5.96 (119.2 bb)
BTN: $6.46 (129.2 bb)
SB: $3.82 (76.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.35, BB folds, Hero raises to $1.20, SB raises to $3.82, Hero calls $2.62

Flop: ($7.69) 2

(2 players)
Turn: ($7.69) 8

(2 players)
River: ($7.69) 9

(2 players)

Spoiler:

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04-03-2013 , 05:51 PM

#181

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Originally Posted by Roszzz

Don't really like going all in with AK (with some type of players as exception).

Even vs shortstack I need to be more carefull, if I can dodge these bullets it will definitely pay out

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.35, BB folds, Hero raises to $1.20, SB raises to $3.82, Hero calls $2.62

Flop: ($7.69) 2

(2 players)
Turn: ($7.69) 8

(2 players)
River: ($7.69) 9

(2 players)

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Any stats on Villain? Readless i generally try to avoid situations where i have to risk 100BB's with AK. Shorter though like in this example its better as they are generally bad as they don't reload.

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04-03-2013 , 05:52 PM

#182

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Since the edges are so big in hold 'em, its hard to go all-in profitably with AK. You need some read that the guy is a fish. In my hand i was expecting QQ+ from 3-bettor and the fish could have ATC. PP + Broadway seems to be fish all-in range. If i were against QQ and another low PP, would have made 2% EV profit after rake

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04-03-2013 , 06:10 PM

#183

Roszzz

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Even against fish, when someone 5bets all in I think we are most times the underdog. Against bad players who just randomly shove its an easy call for me with AK as they like to shove A8 or 77 or something.

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04-03-2013 , 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dillchips

what's the theory behind 4betting light (in this case, and also in general)? is it just to induce a shove from villian, or just to get thin value?

In general to get better hands to fold when villains is 4betting a wide range and to increase the value of your 4bet value range.

Not sure if you mean 4betting as a bluff or 4betting a wider value range??

But generally you widen your 4bet range when villain will flat a lot or he will stack off with worse.

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04-03-2013 , 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnston666

Seriously thanks for clearing that up with me! The other day I was wondering that if post flop it was called a 3 bet or bet/raise/3bet. I looked online and I couldn't find an answer for post flop. I mean it makes sense that its a 3bet pre flop because the Blinds are considered a bet, but I wasn't sure post flop.

no prob

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04-03-2013 , 06:32 PM

#186

Dunna100

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Still no avatar tho...

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04-03-2013 , 06:40 PM

#187

raikkonen3

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7/297 in the big 11, i await the inevitable top 100 to bust for fk all money (if im lucky)

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04-03-2013 , 06:42 PM

#188

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Gl sir, would rail but work in the morning. Wanna wake up to see you've TID and are now a midstakes baller

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04-03-2013 , 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gamma001

We should also remember that 'light' is relative. JJ is pretty much an auto-4bet BvB but UTG vs MP it's veeeeeery light.

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04-03-2013 , 07:01 PM

#190

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Originally Posted by Dunna100

Still no avatar tho...

I have all of april, don't worry

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Originally Posted by raikkonen3

7/297 in the big 11, i await the inevitable top 100 to bust for fk all money (if im lucky)

gl bro.

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04-03-2013 , 07:02 PM

#191

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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle

We should also remember that 'light' is relative. JJ is pretty much an auto-4bet BvB but UTG vs MP it's veeeeeery light.

+1 good point

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04-03-2013 , 07:07 PM

#192

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Originally Posted by raikkonen3

7/297 in the big 11, i await the inevitable top 100 to bust for fk all money (if im lucky)

Gl mate. I finished 27th yesterday, just short of the big money jumps. It is quite demoralising when you get that far, only to be stopped just short.

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04-03-2013 , 07:15 PM

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TheDefiniteArticle

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Originally Posted by raikkonen3

7/297 in the big 11, i await the inevitable top 100 to bust for fk all money (if im lucky)

What's your SN? I'll come rail if you're still around.

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04-03-2013 , 07:17 PM

#194

raikkonen3

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Originally Posted by Yippee ki-yay

Gl mate. I finished 27th yesterday, just short of the big money jumps. It is quite demoralising when you get that far, only to be stopped just short.

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pretty sick run, wp and ul haha

yeah i'm trying not to get my hopes up but it's hard, always seem to go top 100 deep in this tourney a lot but never super deep.

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04-03-2013 , 07:23 PM

#195

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Originally Posted by raikkonen3

pretty sick run, wp and ul haha

yeah i'm trying not to get my hopes up but it's hard, always seem to go top 100 deep in this tourney a lot but never super deep.

sn is craikkolea, currently 18/187

Ok mate I'll check up. Will probably get to sleep though. Was up til 3:15am yesterday and then had to get up at 6...but let us all know how you get on...

GL. Take it down.

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04-03-2013 , 07:45 PM

#196

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Don't think you can flat call the turn there without the nuts basically.

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04-03-2013 , 07:47 PM

#197

raikkonen3

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yeah was prob a mistake in hindsight, that guy is a maniac tho so leveled myself into a bad call

if he hadn't of folded to my turn barrel just before my fist was going thru the screen

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04-03-2013 , 07:54 PM

#198

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Okay, so to get PT4 free I only need to rake $47 at Titan. Don't get close to clearing the deposit bonus on that (it's 200%, equates to 25% RB and minimum deposit for GIF is $100) - should I stick around and clear the bonus even though I hate the software?