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04-02-2013 , 07:51 PM
Tonight will be my first Live session in April. Going out to Thunder Valley in Sacramento and thinking im going to play the 7.5k tourney and cash games after if I bust out. Will post reports of how the night went when I get home. I'll try to even post some interesting hands.

Live BR 2500.00
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04-02-2013 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by thetallpaul
The 4bet was light I'm ashamed to say. Did it before I noticed it was you.
Heh. Everyone else takes extra pleasure in making moves & putting beats on other 2+2ers !
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04-02-2013 , 10:02 PM
Just finished 27th in the Big 11 dollars.





    Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (17,500/35,000 blinds, 4,375 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16811951

    Hero (CO): 393,977 (11.3 bb)
    BTN: 733,911 (21 bb)
    SB: 1,895,392 (54.2 bb)
    BB: 452,146 (12.9 bb)
    UTG+1: 476,921 (13.6 bb)
    UTG+2: 458,518 (13.1 bb)
    MP1: 1,494,464 (42.7 bb)
    MP2: 347,780 (9.9 bb)
    MP3: 668,542 (19.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A Q
    2 folds, MP1 raises to 90,000, 2 folds, Hero raises to 389,602 and is all-in, 3 folds, MP1 calls 299,602

    Flop: (871,079) K 2 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (871,079) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (871,079) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: 871,079 pot
    Final Board: K 2 9 4 3
    Hero showed A Q and lost (-393,977 net)
    MP1 showed K K and won 871,079 (477,102 net)



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    Good run, but still disapointed. Didn't originally plan on playing it so that is something, but when you play for 8 hours and get that close it is kinda disapointing... Still, 9200 players who were worse off so can't really complain.
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    04-03-2013 , 01:54 AM
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    Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
    Why do you think the 4-bet was light?

    Also, which bet was on the smaller size? All bets seem larger than standard.
    He means in a couple of hands he played against me. Got me to call 3 streets with TP, and in another hand he 4bet and i folded

    Damned regwars
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    04-03-2013 , 01:59 AM
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    Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
    Why do you think the 4-bet was light?

    Also, which bet was on the smaller size? All bets seem larger than standard.
    Sorry that wasn't very clear the HH wasn't related to the ones vs Dunna I've just never seen anyone run a 3bet/call pre, call, fold line before and had no idea what to make of it.

    The one with Dunna with small bets was overpair vs TP and I half pot all the way to the end. Vs a fish I would likely have sized up more than that.

    The 4bet was a different hand. Raise, 3bet from 'villain', 4 bet from me from the air end of my range as its the first run into the 'villain' and everyone folds to the first 4bet. Then I notice its him and he's talking in the chat box. I say hello then clam up as I have nothing. He says "4 bet Lolz" and folds it. Will make sure I check the players better before I do anything big in future! No intentional moves were placed and no-ones EV line was harmed in the making. I'll take myself over to BBV now.
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    04-03-2013 , 06:30 AM
    Well tonight was interesting. I was down a bit (around 275) and was quite card dead most of the night but i managed to show a profit haha. Game was 1/3 NLHE

    Here's an interesting hand. Villian is opening quite a bit, aggro, and has shown that he is capable of bluffing. I'm in the cut off and he is MP. V opens to 12$ folds to me and everyone has folded behind V. I call with 9hTh everyone else folds.

    Flop 9c 3c 8d

    Villian bets 15
    Hero calls 15

    Turn 10c

    Villian Bets 25$
    Hero Raises to 75$
    Villian say's "really?" and goes all in.
    Hero?

    Now remember I've seen him bluff a couple times and seen him go to showdown holding top pair no kicker in a 400$+ pot.Anyways i'd like some thoughts on the hand, this is the only one i can fully remember so I thought I'd post it.Hope everyone else had a good night!

    Profit +23$ (haha)
    BR 2523.00
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    04-03-2013 , 07:29 AM
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    Originally Posted by Johnston666
    Well tonight was interesting. I was down a bit (around 275) and was quite card dead most of the night but i managed to show a profit haha. Game was 1/3 NLHE

    Here's an interesting hand. Villian is opening quite a bit, aggro, and has shown that he is capable of bluffing. I'm in the cut off and he is MP. V opens to 12$ folds to me and everyone has folded behind V. I call with 9hTh everyone else folds.

    Flop 9c 3c 8d

    Villian bets 15
    Hero calls 15

    Turn 10c

    Villian Bets 25$
    Hero Raises to 75$
    Villian say's "really?" and goes all in.
    Hero?

    Now remember I've seen him bluff a couple times and seen him go to showdown holding top pair no kicker in a 400$+ pot.Anyways i'd like some thoughts on the hand, this is the only one i can fully remember so I thought I'd post it.Hope everyone else had a good night!

    Profit +23$ (haha)
    BR 2523.00
    Weird he would say "really" and then shove. Its hard to say because we didn't see how he said it, and how he looked which would be pretty much what we could go on. He could have a set and be annoyed by the flush, but pretty much telling you that doesn't make much sense. I think i fold, though in the moment i could think differently in the situation.
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    04-03-2013 , 07:44 AM
    Don't think I raise that turn myself.
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    04-03-2013 , 08:00 AM
    Two pair on a wet board isn't that great of a hand. You don't want to be folding to his bet obviously, but if you raise and he shoves or calls you don't feel too good about your hand (unless villain never folds) so you're basically turning your hand into a bluff.

    If I was villain I'd be folding all my two pair hands and worse, calling and shoving the rest of my range.
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    04-03-2013 , 08:54 AM
    I ended up folding and he showed the nuts Ax of clubs. Normally I would not take this line but against villain it was very likely that he was bluffing or behind and my 2 pair was good against a lot of his range so i felt that I could 3 bet fold here. It's not the most interesting hand I know but it's the only one I really fully remember so I thought I'd share
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    04-03-2013 , 09:05 AM
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    Originally Posted by Johnston666
    I ended up folding and he showed the nuts Ax of clubs. Normally I would not take this line but against villain it was very likely that he was bluffing or behind and my 2 pair was good against a lot of his range so i felt that I could 3 bet fold here. It's not the most interesting hand I know but it's the only one I really fully remember so I thought I'd share
    Lol, the guy has the nuts, and says "really" before shoving.
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    04-03-2013 , 12:06 PM
    Wanted to go for 10k hands but managed to grind till 5.8k hands only

    Might not be able to complete the challenge as I need 35k hands more.



    Is this spewy? Was putting him on AK or AQ

    Misclicked! Wanted to bet 3BB

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: $12.25 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
    SB: $4.95 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 10)
    BB: $6.78 (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 34)
    Hero (UTG): $5.00
    MP: $4.85 (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 22.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 54)
    CO: $2.95 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A Q

    Hero raises to $0.10, MP raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

    Flop: ($1.22, 4 players) J 6 2
    BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.80, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.80

    Turn: ($2.82, 2 players) J
    Hero checks, MP checks

    River: ($2.82, 2 players) 8
    Hero bets $1.40, fold

    Last edited by Tarkyo; 04-03-2013 at 12:19 PM.
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    04-03-2013 , 12:13 PM
    Why minraise utg?

    Out of interest, if u put villain on AQ+, why did you call pre?
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    04-03-2013 , 12:21 PM
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    Originally Posted by Dunna100
    Why minraise utg?

    Out of interest, if u put villain on AQ+, why did you call pre?
    That was misclick! My bad for forgetting to mentioning it.

    BTN and BB called the 3bet and I decided to join in too as I have pot odds to call.
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    04-03-2013 , 12:22 PM
    Raise bigger pre. As played I'd 4bet to ~$2 as I don't want to be OOP against this many opponents.
    Flop - I think the call is 50/50. Villain seems pretty aggro and if he is then c/c is fine.
    Turn is fine
    River is fine too. Villain will have given up a lot of the time here and I also think you can fold out a lot of small-mid PP on this board, while you've only invested 1/2 pot and can easily let it go if raised.
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    04-03-2013 , 12:24 PM
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    Originally Posted by FirstOut
    Raise bigger pre. As played I'd 4bet to ~$2 as I don't want to be OOP against this many opponents.
    Flop - I think the call is 50/50. Villain seems pretty aggro and if he is then c/c is fine.
    Turn is fine
    River is fine too. Villain will have given up a lot of the time here and I also think you can fold out a lot of small-mid PP on this board, while you've only invested 1/2 pot and can easily let it go if raised.
    Wouldn't that 4bet be too big for AQs?
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    04-03-2013 , 12:27 PM
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    Originally Posted by Tarkyo
    BTN and BB called the 3bet and I decided to join in too as I have pot odds to call.
    My thoughts are that even if you have good odds, playing oop MW is going to negate any kind of odds. You're mostly going to be check/folding the flop and the times you do hit you're gonna have trouble extracting value. I'm as nitty as **** so please tell me if I'm out of line here but it has to be a 4bet or a fold imo. I'm leaning heavily towards a fold.
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    04-03-2013 , 01:01 PM
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    Originally Posted by Tarkyo
    Wouldn't that 4bet be too big for AQs?
    No, not if you intend to continue with the hand. I'm using standard 3bet sizing this time due to the small initial raise and the number of callers, so that is 3x the 3bet + 1 for each caller + another 1 for being oop, giving a total of $2.10 in this case.

    If you feel that is too big a bet for your hand just fold as being oop without the initiative sucks
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    04-03-2013 , 01:15 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by FirstOut
    No, not if you intend to continue with the hand. I'm using standard 3bet sizing this time due to the small initial raise and the number of callers, so that is 3x the 3bet + 1 for each caller + another 1 for being oop, giving a total of $2.10 in this case.

    If you feel that is too big a bet for your hand just fold as being oop without the initiative sucks
    Wouldn't 4bet that big with any of our range, otherwise it basically announces 'HEY GUYS, I NEVER 4BET LIGHT!'. I think 4betting about 2-2.2x IP and 2.2-2.4x OOP is roughly optimal. Maybe bump it to 3x because of the open size + callers thing.
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    04-03-2013 , 02:41 PM
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    Originally Posted by Yippee ki-yay
    Lol, the guy has the nuts, and says "really" before shoving.
    I know right. I think if it wasn't for that it would have been a tougher fold
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    04-03-2013 , 03:14 PM
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    Originally Posted by Johnston666
    I ended up folding and he showed the nuts Ax of clubs. Normally I would not take this line but against villain it was very likely that he was bluffing or behind and my 2 pair was good against a lot of his range so i felt that I could 3 bet fold here. It's not the most interesting hand I know but it's the only one I really fully remember so I thought I'd share
    If his range is full of bluffs raise/folding is bad.
    Even though his bet is really small I don't think I'm raising here.

    btw, you didn't 3bet, you raised. On the flop it goes bet/raise/3bet where as pre flop the blinds are considered the bet so it goes raise/3bet
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    04-03-2013 , 03:15 PM
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    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    Wouldn't 4bet that big with any of our range
    +1,
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    04-03-2013 , 03:36 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    Wouldn't 4bet that big with any of our range, otherwise it basically announces 'HEY GUYS, I NEVER 4BET LIGHT!'. I think 4betting about 2-2.2x IP and 2.2-2.4x OOP is roughly optimal. Maybe bump it to 3x because of the open size + callers thing.
    I haven't played 5NL fast on stars, but if its like the 4-6NL I played then no-one is paying attention to whether we're 4betting light. If they're going to call then they'll call and we want to charge them when we're OOP as well as deny them pot or implied odds. I could maybe see making the bet as small as $1.60 but not less.
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    04-03-2013 , 03:41 PM
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    Originally Posted by gamma001
    If his range is full of bluffs raise/folding is bad.
    Even though his bet is really small I don't think I'm raising here.

    btw, you didn't 3bet, you raised. On the flop it goes bet/raise/3bet where as pre flop the blinds are considered the bet so it goes raise/3bet
    Seriously thanks for clearing that up with me! The other day I was wondering that if post flop it was called a 3 bet or bet/raise/3bet. I looked online and I couldn't find an answer for post flop. I mean it makes sense that its a 3bet pre flop because the Blinds are considered a bet, but I wasn't sure post flop.
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    04-03-2013 , 03:41 PM
    what's the theory behind 4betting light (in this case, and also in general)? is it just to induce a shove from villian, or just to get thin value?
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