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In that set hand i think its defintely a raise.

This kind of hand makes me cry.

Inb4 raise turn, but honestly, wtf is villain doing? I have him as a 17/13 ABC player over a decent sample!

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@FirstOut nice graph man! although it's a small sample

@Yippee
Any info on villain? Would he do this with AQ? A good fold I think v unkown, don't know if I could make one

30/26 which meant i thought it was possible for him to have J10. And maybe. If he bets pot on the river i am snap calling, but i very rarely see overshoves as bluffs.
Might be a bad fold but as a general rule if i am not sure and im timing out (this occasion) i generally opt to fold as a leak of mine is/was calling on the river too much as i level myself into calling.

I think if you play the hand by flatting pre, call, call, then the river surely is a call. Were you playing it this way to see how the villain plays draws/tpgk?

PLO is fun fun fun



Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $277.85
SB: $200.00
BB: $100.00
UTG: $113.10
Hero (MP): $374.54
CO: $323.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with 9 J T 8
UTG raises to $6, Hero calls $6, CO raises to $27, BTN calls $27, 1 fold, BB calls $25, UTG raises to $113.10 all in, Hero calls $107.10, CO raises to $323.25 all in, BTN calls $250.85 all in, BB calls $73 all in, Hero calls $210.15

Flop: ($1138.45) 4 9 6 (5 players - 4 are all in)

Turn: ($1138.45) 8 (5 players - 4 are all in)

River: ($1138.45) 3 (5 players - 4 are all in)

Final Pot: $1138.45
BTN shows 5 4 7 5 (a straight, Five to Nine)
BB shows T T J A (a pair of Tens)
UTG shows Q 5 K K (a flush, Queen high)
Hero shows 9 J T 8 (a flush, Jack high)
CO shows 9 A 9 A (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero wins $90.80
Hero wins $494.25
UTG wins $52.40
UTG wins $498.20
(Rake: $2.80)

His fold to 3-bet was 100% (over a smallish sample though) so didn't want him folding his AJ type hands. I probably would normally 3-bet as a default but had position so called. Planned on calling down, from the flop, but river bet was weird.

And why was i calling down?
I think hands i beat like AJ AT Qx hands fold to a raise. So the only hands that carry on are AQ and better. It also gives him a chance to barrell draws and air.

Interesting experiment. Thought he was a fish who just found a raise button. He tanked for 15-30sec between the raises. Limp click-it-back tank for 20sec before raise, gotta be the aces right? Was expecting to see low PP, broadway or even ATC.



Here is what i was aiming for. Villain was the standard 18% 3-bet fish.

Haha I've seen the limp-4betting strategy a few times on both 5NL and 10NL and makes me laugh everytime

@AlienSpaceBat 2.80$ rake?
@Roszzz yeah here's my feelings afterward

Thanks for the response, I wasn't necessarily advocating a 3b pre, just an observation that playing it by flatting, call, call, I would have called the river.

Yeah. Do you think that's a lot, or did you think it would be more ?

Seems like a small number. But standard i think.

Ok no problem, i was just explaining my reasoning. I maybe should have called, the overbet did throw me off. I won't lose any sleep over it.

yippe, i don't mind a fold or I don't mind a call. For your ranges sake I don't think you should be folding all that often since 77 is your only nuttish hand (and should be discounted somewhat since you didn't raise at any point) and your hand is underrepped. But since its 10nl his ship is going to be slightly weighted more towards nuts.

Seems quite small for a near 500 dollar pot.

They take 1.5 when theres a 50 dollar pot at 25NL.

Sigh, stuck to profit to stuck in two hands, same table same villain.

MP was a maniac. 75/45/50% 3bet.
Kept putting people all in, sometimes with sets sometimes with draws.

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $3.86
MP: $18.51
CO: $5.59
BTN: $5.30
Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $5.51

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05, CO posts DB $0.02, CO posts DB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.14) Hero has Q Q

fold, MP raises to $0.15, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.55, fold, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.22, 2 players) 4 4 4
Hero bets $0.85, MP calls $0.85

Turn: ($2.92, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $1.75, MP raises to $17.11 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.85 and is all-in

River: ($10.12, 2 players) 2



Very next hand. Same villain in UTG.
Didn't 3 bet because this time I have position, but SB comes along so I should have 3 bet.
SB's raise worries me but UTG would go crazy with a J here.
Surely folding to flop raise would be too nitty?
I think presence of UTG doing spazzy stuff put me off what SB was doing

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $3.86
UTG: $13.51
CO: $5.30
Hero (BTN): $9.45
SB: $5.46

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $0.25, fold, Hero calls $0.25, SB calls $0.23, fold

Flop: ($0.80, 3 players) J 3 6
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.48, SB raises to $0.96, UTG calls $0.96, Hero calls $0.48

Turn: ($3.68, 3 players) 7
SB checks, UTG bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30, SB raises to $4.25 and is all-in, UTG calls $2.95, Hero calls $2.95

River: ($16.43, 3 players) 3
UTG checks, Hero checks

Yes, it was actually a $1138 pot.

Yes, at these stakes (particularly playing PLO) more or less any contested pot is going to get to the rake cap of $2.80.

In that pot, for example, if the rake hadn't been capped it would have been over $50.

This means that the effective rake for the game is less.

Unfortunately at microstakes it can be very hard to reach the cap - for example at 5NL you need a pot of just over $24 to hit the cap, which won't happen very often.

But if only stars raked you like they did the micros you would be SNE!

Didn't think of that.

I will immediately mail stars and ask them to take EVEN MORE money from me !

Oh yeah, my bad. Emphasising the point even more.

Are you guys checking back this river, or going for thin value? I bet small because it's really hard for him to call a big bet with a worse hand on that kind of scary board, (also because his range that I beat is very thin by that river card). Would you even just raise the flop?

I like how you played it post. I don't have a Xraising range on kxx rainbow so I wouldn't raise it