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Originally Posted by chad0x00
but Arty, you do want him to get all in with AK, QQ, AQs etc...You are missing value by not raising KK from MP vs an EP raise.
Not at all. Let's say UTG is nitty and has TT. He opens for 3bb. I have KK in the CO. If I 3-bet to 12bb, villain usually folds. I win just 3bb plus the blinds. He's never stacking off TT pre-flop for 100bb is he? If I call, we see a flop and there's 7.5bb in the pot. Flop comes Qxx and villain c-bets 5bb. I can either call or raise. Whatever action I take, villain is never putting another cent in the pot without a set. So by flat-calling, I win his pre-flop bet AND his c-bet. Ergo, there is more value in seeing a flop with the best hand, rather than 3-betting and only winning the dead money.
If I 3-bet KK and villain has QQ-AA, then he shoves and we stack off. We chop the pot, but lose to rake. If villain only 4-bets KK and AA, then I'm crushed every time he has aces.
Villain's UTG range is so narrow that his cards are essentially face up if we see a flop. If the flop comes ace high and villain checks, then he's usually on KK-TT or worse. I can then bet with AK and win with the worst starting hand. Sometimes he'll check pocket kings on Axx and I can win by betting with ATC. It's win win!
Look at it this way: If you open UTG with JJ/QQ etc, the last thing you want is for someone in position to call and see a flop. You don't know where you're at, and they can win the pot with the worst hand. So turn the tables! By
calling UTG's raise,
we have control of the hand. We can lose the minimum (it's not a 3-bet pot) but also profit with a worse starting hand. And if we flop a set and villain can't lay down his overpair, we win a stack.
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Originally Posted by chad0x00
nikachu's video is not relevant to micros. Are we seriously considering not 3betting AK?
Against tight players, Tags in EP, and unknowns, flatting is my preferred line. I tend to only 3-bet AK against aggrodonks and shortstacks that are likely to call/shove with worse.
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Originally Posted by nismo9
Say we have an early raiser and a MP 3better. Is anyone happy to throw away AK?
Yep. I see people cold 4-bet shoving AK constantly on Stars full ring 2NL and losing their stacks. e.g. UTG opens, MP 3-bets, the 10/5 nit in the big blind shoves with AK. UTG folds, MP calls with aces or kings and crushes AK. Easy game. The guy with AK thinks it's a cooler, but it's not. The shove was bound to be called by a hand that beat it.