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Any way to extract more value here? Any way to extract more value here?

03-08-2011 , 11:00 AM
I limped pre because someone had already limped ahead of me, and I like to keep pots small preflop with hands like this.

I considered checking the turn raising on the river instead. The board is pretty dry and I'm not scared of many rivers, but the last thing I wanted was for Ax of hearts or something to backdoor a flush on me. Can I still just call the turn maybe, figuring that if someone has the nut flush draw on the turn they are going to call my turn raise anyway and if the river is a heart I lose regardless of whether I raise or not on the turn?


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1220630
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: t5670 56.70 BBs
UTG: t2815 28.15 BBs
UTG+1: t2975 29.75 BBs
UTG+2: t4575 45.75 BBs
MP1: t3055 30.55 BBs
Hero (MP2): t2890 28.90 BBs
CO: t3005 30.05 BBs
BTN: t8165 81.65 BBs
SB: t1715 17.15 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is MP2 with 6 6
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t100, 2 folds, Hero calls t100, 2 folds, SB calls t50, BB checks

Flop: (t400) 6 4 A (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets t200, UTG+1 calls t200, Hero calls t200, SB folds

Turn: (t1000) 9 (3 players)
BB bets t500, UTG+1 calls t500, Hero raises to t1500, BB folds, UTG+1 folds
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03-08-2011 , 11:09 AM
Dont worry about backdoor flushes, this is incredibly rare. You are right, there are no bad river cards. You have the nuts basically, and players are showing interest. Let them keep betting, it's not like you're deep here and need to build a big pot. If you had just called then you could make a pot sized bet on the river and they might feel committed with a wide range of hands.

What really happened here was BB probably lead on a pathetic bluff hoping to take the pot down, UTG called with 22 or KJ or something ******ed because he's a fish and just didnt feel like folding, and when you raised they both gave you credit for the ace. Sometimes this happens and there's not much else you can do to extract value, other than calling in this particular spot.
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03-08-2011 , 12:04 PM
raise flop. doesn't need to be huge, just to say 700. ace on the board, never slowplaying a set here.
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03-08-2011 , 12:56 PM
ya i would raise flop to like 500 or 600 and then bet the turn, only real draw that BB might have is 57 or some garbage bluff with a gutshot but those are all pretty rare
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03-08-2011 , 01:23 PM
Raise the flop. You want to build the pot so you can get all your stack in by the river, especially in a multi-way pot where two players have shown interest. As said don't worry about the flush that would just be unlucky. Turn raise is also fine.
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03-08-2011 , 02:51 PM
raise flop? Why? OP has 30BB's here. If OP flats then he can shove for almost exactly pot. BB might even lead river if he actually has top pair or something and UTG will flat with just the same, then you can shove and they'll both be getting like 5:1. The results on the turn are precisely why raising dry boards with the nuts is bad.
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03-08-2011 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
raise flop? Why? OP has 30BB's here. If OP flats then he can shove for almost exactly pot. BB might even lead river if he actually has top pair or something and UTG will flat with just the same, then you can shove and they'll both be getting like 5:1. The results on the turn are precisely why raising dry boards with the nuts is bad.
Yeah I was very surprised at the people saying to raise on the flop...not to say they are wrong just surprised. I raised the turn to shove the river, but even calling the turn my stack compared what the pot would have been would have worked for a river shove.
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03-08-2011 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hamdoggg
Yeah I was very surprised at the people saying to raise on the flop...not to say they are wrong just surprised. I raised the turn to shove the river, but even calling the turn my stack compared what the pot would have been would have worked for a river shove.
Then theres really not much of a problem and there probably was no value to be taken.
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03-08-2011 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nismo9
Then theres really not much of a problem and there probably was no value to be taken.
Oh well...hopefully they have 2 pair or AK next time
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03-08-2011 , 05:00 PM
Raising flop is okay, but I wouldn't do it myself. Raising turn screams set.

Pot's 2,500 if you just call the turn. You basically have a little over 2,000 left on the river and you don't accomplish anything with a turn raise because BB has twice as many chips as you do.

With two players left, someone (BB, who's actively bet 2 streets already) might lead the river for at least half pot. If UTG calls that and you shove, he'll feel committed at that point.

BB would only have to call 800ish into a 6,300ish pot assuming he bets half pot and UTG calls. Otherwise, he'd have to call 800ish into a 5,000 pot.
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03-08-2011 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
raise flop. doesn't need to be huge, just to say 700. ace on the board, never slowplaying a set here.
This all the way. With 4 people in a limp pot pre means someone is likely to have an ace. 700-800 is a decent enough bet to get other aces to call.
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03-09-2011 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by nas061000
This all the way. With 4 people in a limp pot pre means someone is likely to have an ace. 700-800 is a decent enough bet to get other aces to call.
They already are calling, no need to make them fold. We want as many people calling here as possible, keep them in. This isnt a cash game people, op has THIRTY BIG BLINDS. It will be easy to get it allin by the river.
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03-09-2011 , 01:01 AM
calldown hero...jam river
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03-09-2011 , 01:26 AM
tank.. type in chat "I HAVE A SET OF 6's"... wait for timer to go down to 1 and shove

they insta put you on hearts and call with K HIGH!!!















Spoiler:
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03-09-2011 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
tank.. type in chat "I HAVE A SET OF 6's"... wait for timer to go down to 1 and shove

they insta put you on hearts and call with K HIGH!!!
you must drink more than the entire LC thread combined
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03-09-2011 , 04:15 AM
call turn, shove river
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